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Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Proto, you love doing researches don't you?
Since you don't trust my knowledge on that subject, why don't you find an unbiased expert, an ex soldier who have seen action and witnessed first hand this kind of AT damage, so he can tell you how nasty it gets from the inside.
This by the way is a penetrating hole made by an RPG 7, which is inferior to Kornet by all measures, but lethal none the less. More advanced RPG is the 29 type (tandem) capable of penetrating reactive armor.
Your attempt again to make it look like a false flag or god knows what, after you were shown sources that it was a deliberate attack by Hamas, including their own official web site, is Dumb Dumb DUMB.
If you continue with this line, consider this my last response to you on this matter.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by baconvein
reply to post by infolurker
You would be surprised what people will do when pushed to the very edge, where as I don't agree with it, I understand that If Israel really cared they could maybe stop destroying peoples homes and repressing a whole nation, turning human beings into monsters doing the only thing they can to get the worlds attention.
Bullfarts. That's not even solid enough t qualify as BS, so it's bullfarts.
NO ONE external to yourself can "turn you into a monster". Only YOU can do that.
People need to own their own shortcomings, rather than lamely tying to blame them on someone else. If these people are "monsters", they have made themselves so, and no one else can take credit or blame for it.
Originally posted by randomname
what would you do if these were your kids.
you'll never know or dream to understand what the palestinians are going thru. what would you do if you were picking up pieces of your kids from a school yard, and the people responsible are thousands of miles away dining at state diners and posing for pictures calling each other best friends. don't judge, pray.
the israeli's are the aggressors,
the palestinians are abandoned and left to dry by an powerless international community that can't do anything as long as the u.s. vetoes every attempt to end this.
this isn't a religious war. this is so far away from God it might as well be hell.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Proto, you love doing researches don't you?
Since you don't trust my knowledge on that subject, why don't you find an unbiased expert, an ex soldier who have seen action and witnessed first hand this kind of AT damage, so he can tell you how nasty it gets from the inside.
This by the way is a penetrating hole made by an RPG 7, which is inferior to Kornet by all measures, but lethal none the less. More advanced RPG is the 29 type (tandem) capable of penetrating reactive armor.
Your attempt again to make it look like a false flag or god knows what, after you were shown sources that it was a deliberate attack by Hamas, including their own official web site, is Dumb Dumb DUMB.
If you continue with this line, consider this my last response to you on this matter.
Says the man deliberately posting claims of the most dubious nature.
A. You have not established your credentials as an expert.
B. Your study based on one picture from an Italian Web Site written in Italian is cleary not a tank hit by a missile.
C. You claimed the tank hit by an RPG of unknown origin and manufacture is typical of the damage caused by anti-Tank Missiles
So in all reality it looks like you either scoured the Internet for 'a' picture of the very least damaged tank you could find to misrepresent as a study of 'averages', or you simply picked up the link and talking points from some other Web Site like the Israeli Internet Defense Force that provides such garbage and talking points for it's force of volunteer bloggers.
So rather than admit the truth, that no, you conducted no study, no this picture does not depict a tank hit by the kind of missle that Israel is claiming hit the bus, and that you simply looked for a picture of a tank with the most minimal damage you can find or accepted one from a organized propaganda force you want to question my intelligence in noticing and or factoring in all of the above?
Probably your only move left as when your defense fails your last and only option is to go on the offense.
However I would point out that the posting of such blatant manipulations really doesn't help your cause, and only casts more suspicion on those people, who are by and large posting blatant misrepresentations and falsehoods and then simply personally attacking people observant, studied and wise enough to know that they are actually bold faced lies.
You are the one not well served going down that path, and while with this kind of subject 'popularity stars' factor into what is starred and not, it doesn't say much about the kind of people who would star your easily debunked picture and premise as being either critically minded, thorough or honest.
Thanks.
Originally posted by KDM_Souljah
The main point of this whole thing is a bus load of school kids got attacked and innocent people got killed
Originally posted by manna2
So, are you saying that Hamas is Israel's golem?
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by manna2
So, are you saying that Hamas is Israel's golem?
Golem?
I missed that movie. Can you fill me in a bit on what you're getting at?
Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by filosophia
Searched that thread. Didn't find out what a "golem" is or how it applies.
Originally posted by Oaktree
Quite a few news outlets calling the attacks "rocket" attacks, as well as the IDF.
Here is the rocket:
Capabilities: The manufacturer claims penetration of 1,200mm of steel armor or 4.5 meters of concrete.
1200 mm equals 4 ft. of steel armor
4.5 meters equals over 14.5 ft. of concrete.
And here is the school bus:
Not really trying to be an apologist for anyone, but this doesn't add up, imo.
Originally posted by KDM_Souljah
The main point of this whole thing is a bus load of school kids got attacked and innocent people got killed,hamas are monsters for doing this and should be dealt with acordingly,what i dont get is why does israel get billions of dollars of america,israel does nothing for this money and provides the world with nothing,if im wrong and israel actualy makes or does something for the world then enlighten me plz
Originally posted by ADVISOR
That's crossing the line, they and who ever gave them those munitions can be expecting some serious retaliation.
Not cool, overkill and now it is going to get ugly. Expect it to get hot over there this summer, maybe even spring with that kind of escalation of force.
Originally posted by PplVSNWO
Originally posted by KDM_Souljah
The main point of this whole thing is a bus load of school kids got attacked and innocent people got killed,hamas are monsters for doing this and should be dealt with acordingly,what i dont get is why does israel get billions of dollars of america,israel does nothing for this money and provides the world with nothing,if im wrong and israel actualy makes or does something for the world then enlighten me plz
Then the main point of point of this whole thing is flawed. There was only one child reportedly on the bus and he did not die, the driver suffered minor injuries. Why would Hamas wait until right after the bus was unloaded to attack it? Makes no since if they were responisble and intended on targeting children.
Worked out well for Israel though, they only had to sacrificially injure one 16 year boy and got loads of support to carry out pre-planned attacks on Palestinians. Then the internet is flooded with people talking about how the evil muslim arab terrorists fired missiles at a bus full of kids.
So far the only evidence this was Hamas is an article claiming that some leader in a Hamas cell took responsibility. Does this person even exist? Is he really Hamas and was he really responsible? Does it even matter now? No, Israel already carried out their attacks and the media successfully laid blame on the very people they targeted.edit on 13-4-2011 by PplVSNWO because: typo
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by nenothtu
Ok on the term Genocide, we will have to disagree.
And while there are no real good guys there most assuredly are bad guys.
I will lump the folks reacting on their peoples behalf as the good guys, this we will just have to disagree on as well.
And you are correct it is not kids playing cowbots and indians, it is kids playing P.L.O. and israelis, then the helicopters and jets show up and blow up said school yard where said children were playing.
Good, evil these terms will be defined in the future when and if we ever find out if Palestinians were freedom fighters or terrorists, we do not know yet, neither side has been extinguished yet.