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Often the munition requires a hard target to trigger the warhead, otherwise the warhead doesn't go off and acts simply as a big bullet. There are examples of this from Iraq where warheads did not go off after penetrating the soft skin of M1025s.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by backinblack
I can assure you a big bullet will blow windows out. You are familiar with with cannons? An inert round can still release a tremendous amount of energy, especially kinetic energy penetrators such as the APFSDS aka Sabot round or the long rod penetrators being developed for use in railguns.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by backinblack
I can assure you a big bullet will blow windows out. You are familiar with with cannons? An inert round can still release a tremendous amount of energy, especially kinetic energy penetrators such as the APFSDS aka Sabot round or the long rod penetrators being developed for use in railguns.
To add, If it did hit the engine block, the explosive jet may have emptied into the engine.edit on 14/4/11 by MikeboydUS because: to add
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The long and short of it is Hamas's 'rockets' are a political statement not a military solution.
It's actually a strategy that is working for them in a lot of ways.
The sucide bombers really were to extreme to gain public sympathy, while the rockets that rarely cause any damage at all give them that David versus Goliath quality.
Because they are cheap and home made they are hard to respond to militarily and often end up baiting Israel into using dispraportionate force that very much does make Gazans look like the victims they are.
Israel would be wise to make peace in my humble opinion.
In large part because their volunteer blogger force makes them look even worse than their dispraportionate response to Hamas's home made rockets.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by nenothtu
Anti-armor stuff is for use against, well, you know, ARMORED stuff. It doesn't do so well under other conditions.
This so called missile hit straight into the bus engine at the rear..
Detonation MUST have occurred for the windows to blow out..
I fail to see enough damage consistent with 10kg of TNT..
It's just not believable....
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by nenothtu
Is there beer and cookies at least over there?
Depends what sort of cookies you're after..
Man I've fallen for the cookie scam more than once.
Damn disgusting rival pub trying to put me off my pool game..
It's difficult for me to see "victims" where they continually poke the badger with spoons. Now, if the badger attacked without being poked with the spoons, that would be a different story altogether. Some times, when you pick a fight, you get it. Hard to see a "victim" in that.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by backinblack
The Israel Project:
A non profit organization for journalists
www.theisraelproject.org...
Come now. You of all people should be aware that shaped charges, as usually employed in anti-armor work, have "directed force". The blast is focused, which is the purpose for shaping the charge. What you appear to be looking for is omnidirectional damage from a static charge, and you KNOW that won't be found if there was a shaped charge in play.
Originally posted by backinblack
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by backinblack
So let me see if I have this right.. You are ok with children being targeted provided it only injures them, and not kills them? You are ok with the targeting of civilians, provided they are only injured and not killed?
Let me set you straight on what I believe as you obviously have not read my posts..
I will NEVER condone the injuring or killing of any civilian, be they man, woman or child..
I have given my reasons why I do NOT think this was a deliberate attack on the school bus..
Your sources are all over the place but all seem to basically come from the one original source..
That would be the reporter I mentioned previously..
Now, why are you not SCREAMING from the rooftops about Israel injuring a FOUR YEAR OLD GIRL??
Is it because she is but one of many that Israel has injured or killed so it doesn't seem so bad??
edit: Star for the apology, good to see.edit on 14-4-2011 by backinblack because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by backinblack
No offense but if it's a new powerful weapon then it did a lousy job on a flimsy bus...
It wouldn't even take the paint off a tank.
Is there proof it was a laser guided missile apart from Fox or Israeli sources.?
Originally posted by backinblack
You really think a sophisticated,Russian built, laser guided missile is what did that damage to the bus??
Seriously, you are intelligent..
It appeared to be a clean hit in the rear..
That kind of weapon would have blown that bus to bits...
Originally posted by backinblack
Show me where Hamas said it was an anti tank missile..
Show me where the admit they targeted a school bus..
Oh, no Israeli sources please..
Abu Obeida
Originally posted by backinblack
So, I see no mention of a laser guided anti tank missile or that they deliberately targeted a school bus..
The crumby rockets Hamas fire are often referred to as missiles..
Check the multiple threads if you don't believe me..
Abu Obeida
Originally posted by backinblack
Seems to me the Israelis are merely at it again..
They are trying to make people believe Hamas has this evil new weapon..
I'm sure they will use that as an excuse to bomb more Palestinians including women and children..
Oddly, if you read further into the article, it is only the Israelis that claim these are new powerful weapons..
They also state more of these anti tank missiles were fired later..
So with all these laser guided anti tank missiles fired all Hamas managed was to hit ones bus, and even then the bus does not look all that damaged???
You believe all the propaganda BS you wish..
I'll believe my eyes and common logic.
Originally posted by backinblack
Yes I am because Israel is making out that Hamas now has advanced weapons..
They will use that as an excuse for more aggressive attacks and I'm sure will also question where they came from and do something about that..
According to Israel, Hamas fired at least four of these laser guided missiles but hit only one bus??
Doesn't ring true as does the lack of damage..
Originally posted by backinblack
Totally agree..
Same with targeting a school with phosphorous..
Sub human animals...
Originally posted by backinblack
Hamas never once said it was a laser guided anti tank missile.
You'd think they would be bragging about it if they had acquired them..
And the missile you are talking about has the equivalent of 10kg of TNT..
en.wikipedia.org...
Experts have stated the damage just doesn't fit...
Abu Obeida
Originally posted by backinblack
From Israeli sources the one Oaktree lists is what they say was used..
It really doesn't add up..Nowhere near enough damage..
I'd still like proof that Hamas DELIBERATELY targeted a school bus...
Abu Obeida
Originally posted by backinblack
Don't recall ever saying that so what's your point?
You did however state Hamas deliberately targeted the school bus..
Abu Obeida
Originally posted by backinblack
Lets make this perfectly clear..
It was only the Israelis that were quoted as saying it was a laser guided tank missile..
Hamas did NOT say that...
Lebanon Daily News
The military wing of Hamas on Thursday claimed responsibility for firing an anti-tank missile at an Israeli school bus, the Al-Qassam Brigades said in a statement.
"Al-Qassam Brigades claims responsibility for targeting the bus of the occupation," the statement said, adding that it was in response to Israel killing three of the group's leaders last week.
Focus.net
Gaza City. The military wing of Hamas on Thursday claimed responsibility for firing an anti-tank missile at an Israeli school bus, the Al-Qassam Brigades said in a statement, AFP reported.
"Al-Qassam Brigades claims responsibility for targeting the bus of the occupation," the statement said, adding that it was in response to Israel killing three of the group's leaders last week.