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Vector shape UFO on the moon

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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by 1967sander
reply to post by MiTS1965
 


Hi there,

I do not understand your frustration. Finding these images is a piece of cake. Just Google for them. When I make my videos I am always showing you the link to the images and / or tell you exactly where I found them. I do not have any secrets about the sources. Just watch the video again, pause it and than look in the left corner. As I said before I will never ever give away the names of the software.

Good luck,

Greetz,

Sander


I'm not frustrated I'm annoyed.

You say you didn't manipulate the image using Photoshop then say you manipulated the image using some other software.

I don't care what software you used or whether you stole it or not.

The fact is you have manipulated the image. Can you not see why this invalidates everything you claim about this image?

The original image looked like a common impact crater with ejecta. You used software to make it look like something you wanted it to be.

Please admit that the final image you are showing and claiming to be something other than what it is is the productof digital manipulation.




posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:25 AM
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reply to post by MiTS1965
 


You do not seem to be open for discussion. You have your fix standpoint and that's it.Well than this is my last reply to you.

Good luck,

Sander



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:31 AM
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Have you ever heard of Lunar Transient Phenomena, or Transient Lunar Phenomena?

Here is a video, from the same producer in the 2nd post of this thread 'LunaCognita'

It has over 60 different visual anamolies associated with the moon.

Very interesting stuff here:


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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 04:17 AM
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Actually you are just being disrespectful and with no real cause. He said he did not use PS, I take that to mean he did not draw the original anomaly, and that he did use image enhancement software to bring some more clarity to what is a zoomed in image, he stated all the processes he did so you can replicate it yourself, he has not hidden anything. Image enhancement is common in NASA and in military field, it is also used in biology when looking at objects under extreme magnification. He hasn't hidden what he has done, he has been fully open about it. There is no reason to be so aggressive and disrespectful.

Welcome to ATS Sander, and thank you for taking the time to share with us and to join in the discussion.

I have to admit I went to you tube and watched the video in full screen, when I first started to watch this, I though it was a mountain, unusually shaped, but natural, and as the video went on and more and more enhancements were done, the more and more I discounted it. But then when I saw the second photo, I did sit up and take notice, the shapes could be coincidence of course, but that would be a remarkable coincidence.

The shape would be unusual for a ship according to our thinking, but the two photos are remarkably similar. If anyone just skipped through the video I suggest going back and watching it full screen all the way through, the second picture changes the whole concept, not to sure about the third photo, but again is a similar shape, needs to be zoomed in and enhanced though to fully compare.

If you don't mind I will subscribe to your channel on you tube, I will like to keep an eye on your work



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 04:37 AM
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I'm not frustrated I'm annoyed.
You say you didn't manipulate the image using Photoshop then say you manipulated the image using some other software.
I don't care what software you used or whether you stole it or not.
The fact is you have manipulated the image. Can you not see why this invalidates everything you claim about this image?
The original image looked like a common impact crater with ejecta. You used software to make it look like something you wanted it to be.
Please admit that the final image you are showing and claiming to be something other than what it is is the productof digital manipulation.


Many of the LRO shots of the landing sites shown recently are heavily enhanced..

Do you think they are fake???
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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 04:37 AM
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Thanks for the heads up. It's true. Everyone can do the same thing I did and see what they can come up with.
If someone can proof me that I am wrong and that my enhancement went wrong somewhere in the process and that it heavily influenced the end-result than I offer my apologies. The thing is that I have performed dozens of similar enhancements with different settings and different methods and I always ended up with an object similar to this one. So I think that this final enhanced object is the best achievable one.

Feel free to join my youtube channel, the more the merrier...

Greetz,

Sander



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 05:17 AM
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reply to post by esteay812
 

Thanks for sharing that video! Very interesting stuff is shown.


The problem with these objects is that they are incredibly difficult to identify because of the way our eyes perceive light in space. What you see as being a circular object could in fact be a rectangle or any other shape. Interesting that even NASA can come out and say "We Don’t Know", considering they have far superior analysis software for these kinds of anomalies. I’m a tad surprised they didn’t use the good old excuse of "It's Ice".



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 05:58 AM
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this is so strange...why it is so complicated ?

it's really a part of our humanity that I do not understand why so much secrecy ... things could be easier, but by a force that I would describe everything is very complicated.
Here we are on a small image debating whether is a mountain or something from outer space, REALLY look at us ... We are now in our turn become the sheep ... What have we missed ... ufo, structure on the moon and all those conversations we have here is Elsewhere shows us a single thing, we fear, we all really want the truth but none of us dare ask ...we wait for disclosure, we wait a nice government to tell us yes they are with us, yes we wait,and we can wait like this for a century, so we are stuck on this fear, for the belivers to understand that there is no ufo, and for the spectical they are realy there... so what we should do...

(on topic)

i love to dream and to make it real so this my littel contribution... this is how i dream







this how i see it, for you it's mountain and for me it's a space ship

peace


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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 06:58 AM
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Nice one! Here's one more and try to explain this ...

www.fotopocket.nl...

Regards,

Sander



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by RufusDriftwood
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
 


Actually there is some confusion about Apollo 18. NASA's own site has Apollo 18 docking with Soyuz 19 in July 1975, in a mission better known as the Apollo Soyuz Test Project. The astronauts actually opened the docking hatch and shook hands while the spacecrafts where over southern England.


Thanks for the reply... i'm looking forward to the film.... i'm not saying it did happen but this film looks good and it COULD happen or COULD of happened.... i mean 42 years and havn't been back.... why?



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Here's an update. It's a "quick" standard enhancement so the result is not optimal.

What do you think we see here?

www.turboimagehost.com...

Greetz,

Sander

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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Well... perhaps I am not a scientist who cares about becoming famous and become rich. Maybe I am just an ordinary guy who happens to be very nozy and has the right skills and software. Fact: If you would release this kind of information in the scientific community you can be damn sure that your sources are removed with a blink of an eye. Second: TV-stations and media in general follow certain codes: In The Netherlands where I live the UFO subject is a total taboo. No one burns his / her fingers on the subject. They also (so I have been told) have the obligation to report this to the appropriate authorities before releasing any information. Youtube is global, there's no censorship and it works as fast as lightning. Even if NASA would remove the originals, many people already have seen the video and downloaded the files.

Thats' why.

Greetz,

Sander



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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Hmm..Quite interesting and in color too! I could not begin to guess what that could be. It has some strange looking appendages on it. why does the background have an odd effect in it or to me it does? What are your thoughts on this object?



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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The background has changed because of the enhancement. I zoomed in on the object and as such all grain and jpeg artefacts also became bigger, Getting rid of this is difficult. It takes a lot of time to do proper enhancement and remove these artefacts. I made this one in less than 5 minutes so that explains the fuzzy and not so sharp contours. (only some basic enhancement). Indeed the anomaly is very interesting. On top of the object I see two greenish things that might be "thrusters"? Or perhaps we see an alien insect? But what an enormous size this must have. I will perform a better and more accurate enhancement at a later date as I'am already busy with other projects.

Direct link: history.nasa.gov...

Yeah the moon is a real Garden of Eden and a mysterious world.

Greetz,

Sander

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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by 1967sander
reply to post by MiTS1965
 


You do not seem to be open for discussion. You have your fix standpoint and that's it.Well than this is my last reply to you.

Good luck,

Sander

And you, sir, are being deliberately obvuscative.

You digitally manipulated the image therefore the image you present is worthless.

It doesn't matter, and I don't care, what software you used. You used it.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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I do not quite agree with you. In space light is NOT influenced (or it should be caused by enormous gravity / or a blackhole). Only in an atmosphere light is affected by vibrations in air, due to waterdamp, tiny dustparticles and also lightpolution / reflections coming from other sources can influence our perceptions of an object.

Photos taken in space therefore should show the actual object without any disturbances. That is ... the pictures were taken through a multiple layered glasswindow. As such ALL images of the moon are blurred. Some by 1 pixel and others by more than 10 pixels. All depends on 1: how steady is the hand holding the camera, 2: is their movement of the NASA command module (is it flying in a straight line or is it in a turn), 3: vibrations caused by the thrusters of the module. So NO NASA image is 100% clear and in order to get a clean view you need to deblur the image properly. Not just the pixels but also have to correct any camera movement. (fix motion blur and deconvolution techniques)

Greetz,

Sander
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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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lol I really cant express enough how glad I am you have joined us. I do believe you will be a real boon to the ATS community on this particular forum anyway. Seems you have been busy while I was at work.

I must ask, as I am curious to your thought, did we go to the moon or are you one of the nay sayers? If it is too personal no reply is required!

I am curious as to what you think this might be though....




posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 11:40 PM
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Oh we went to the moon alright! There's no question about that. It is just that NASA had a double agenda. One mission for the public channel and another not mentioned for the public. In the transcipts from the Apollo missions certain parts of the conversations show that the astronauts saw and heard more than the public has been told.
Strange lights, objects, music behind the moon and flashes of light during the spacetrip. They called them "Fireflies". We now describe the "Fireflies" phenomenae as UFO of the 2nd and 3rd class. I made a video of it.

www.youtube.com...

As to the object / pilot with helmet in the video: I'll do some frame stacking and let's see what I see.

Update: the original video is fake. The "UFO" no longer seems to have a front as soon as it passes the moon.

Greetz,

Sander
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Im gl you mentioned the "Music." I have always wondered about that and what it may be. I mean I wonder if they were hearing things like old radio broadcast or something. That is something I would love to know more about. Just radio signals lost in space maybe?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Not very likely. The "music" they heard was when the were at the farside of the moon. Radiosignals require line of sight to receive them in space. Behind the moon you therefore cannot receive any communication. That's why NASA has relay stations worldwide for down - and uplink.

Greetz,

Sander



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