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The Nanny State Can't Last

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
reply to post by Whereweheaded
 


Infowars is not a news source. It is idealogical fiction.

We are not in a "nanny state"...the US ranks far...far...down on the list when it comes to social safety nets, healthcare benefits etc.

"Nanny State" sure is catchy though.


Infowars has way more credibility then every single msm outlet combined as they are not owned nor are accountable to TPTB!




posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I stand corrected, Article I Section 8 Clause I covers it!

en.wikipedia.org...

Plus adheres to the Preamble's clause of "To form a more perfect union" clearly allows for the creation of social programs.



BWAHAHA!!!! Did you actually just suggest the general welfare clause? lol

[General welfare clause]

Under article 1 section 8:


A General Welfare clause is a section that appears in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws as it sees fit to promote or provide for the general welfare of the people. In some countries, this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder


Now take a moment to read the fine print:


this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder


No where in the text does it suggest establishing social welfare that allows for a user to stay on state funded money there entire lives. It specifically discusses those in need of health issues, ( ie Medicare /Medicaid), safety, ( thats a given ), and morals , ( which really has nothing to do with this clause, just something those emotionally driven liberals threw in there )


Further, if you look even deeper, you will this:



this has been used as a basis for legislation


see the keyword? " Basis".

Now onto your source, The Preamble.

You do know that the Preamble is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution's fundamental purposes and guiding principles. And as it refers, it sets the precedence to the Constitution, and the laws that govern.

The " Union" in no way shape of form suggests social welfare! Nice try cup cake!

It is suggested that the "Union" was made "more perfect" by the creation of a federal government with enough power to act directly upon citizens. Now we all know full well what happens when government gets to big for their britches, but thats another topic. But no where in the text of the preamble does it suggest social welfare programs, much less suggest staying on state funded paychecks for the duration of ones life!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
reply to post by Whereweheaded
 


Infowars is not a news source. It is idealogical fiction.

We are not in a "nanny state"...the US ranks far...far...down on the list when it comes to social safety nets, healthcare benefits etc.

"Nanny State" sure is catchy though.



You have substantial evidence, which would be deemed viable to back your claims, as a " idealogical fiction" right?

Or are you speaking opinion? Your not backer of CNN, MSNBC, CBS...right? Like they are oh so fair and balanced?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by maybereal11
reply to post by Whereweheaded
 


Infowars is not a news source. It is idealogical fiction.

We are not in a "nanny state"...the US ranks far...far...down on the list when it comes to social safety nets, healthcare benefits etc.

"Nanny State" sure is catchy though.


Infowars has way more credibility then every single msm outlet combined as they are not owned nor are accountable to TPTB!



That much we agree on!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I stand corrected, Article I Section 8 Clause I covers it!

en.wikipedia.org...

Plus adheres to the Preamble's clause of "To form a more perfect union" clearly allows for the creation of social programs.



BWAHAHA!!!! Did you actually just suggest the general welfare clause? lol

[General welfare clause]

Under article 1 section 8:


A General Welfare clause is a section that appears in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws as it sees fit to promote or provide for the general welfare of the people. In some countries, this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder


Now take a moment to read the fine print:


this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder


No where in the text does it suggest establishing social welfare that allows for a user to stay on state funded money there entire lives. It specifically discusses those in need of health issues, ( ie Medicare /Medicaid), safety, ( thats a given ), and morals , ( which really has nothing to do with this clause, just something those emotionally driven liberals threw in there )


Further, if you look even deeper, you will this:



this has been used as a basis for legislation


see the keyword? " Basis".

Now onto your source, The Preamble.

You do know that the Preamble is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution's fundamental purposes and guiding principles. And as it refers, it sets the precedence to the Constitution, and the laws that govern.

The " Union" in no way shape of form suggests social welfare! Nice try cup cake!

It is suggested that the "Union" was made "more perfect" by the creation of a federal government with enough power to act directly upon citizens. Now we all know full well what happens when government gets to big for their britches, but thats another topic. But no where in the text of the preamble does it suggest social welfare programs, much less suggest staying on state funded paychecks for the duration of ones life!




The following phrase allows for it :
"enact laws as it sees fit to promote or provide for the general welfare of the people. "

Gotcha!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by maybereal11
reply to post by Whereweheaded
 


Infowars is not a news source. It is idealogical fiction.

We are not in a "nanny state"...the US ranks far...far...down on the list when it comes to social safety nets, healthcare benefits etc.

"Nanny State" sure is catchy though.


Infowars has way more credibility then every single msm outlet combined as they are not owned nor are accountable to TPTB!


Wow...OK...I guess that leaves no room for discussion. Earth is flat.
edit on 15-4-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Thomas Jefferson explained the latter general welfare clause for the United States: “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”


short answer its not the welfare of the people but the government so it can function.

the power given to tax to fund the government
edit on 15-4-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Sorry, but ya got nothing:



"enact laws as it sees fit to promote or provide for the general welfare of the people. "


Read again, enact laws to provide for the welfare of the people as stated in the text.



this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder


laws that directly impact those listed above.


Yeah, I did that to your argument!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Sorry, but ya got nothing:



"enact laws as it sees fit to promote or provide for the general welfare of the people. "


Read again, enact laws to provide for the welfare of the people as stated in the text.



this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder


laws that directly impact those listed above.


Yeah, I did that to your argument!


You did nothing to my argument but reinforce it. So who got who?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Reading comprehension is obviously not your strongest suit is it? Read the text. Your argument, or lack there of, is only further solidifying the text..



The laws enacted represent the people governed thereunder. Not what you " hoped " it to be much less want it to be!

Would seem you got yourself, with the lack of simple comprehension, ..you sure you graduated high school?

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
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Reading comprehension is obviously not your strongest suit is it? Read the text. Your argument, or lack there of, is only further solidifying the text..



The laws enacted represent the people governed thereunder. Not what you " hoped " it to be much less want it to be!

Would seem you got yourself, with the lack of simple comprehension, ..you sure you graduated high school?

edit on 16-4-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)


I graduated HS and was reading on a collegiate level by the time I was in 8th grade. I also was reading on a HS level by the time I was in the 6th grade so word comprehension and reading comprehension has always been one of my strong suits. Look at how I word things I employ alot of big words.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded

The Nanny State Can't Last


www.infowars.com

Ron Paul
Last week, Congress and the administration refused to seriously consider the problem of government spending.



Nanny State can't last... Heck, I thought you were talking about China. China is doing GREAT and spends twice as much per capita on subsidizing their population than the US does.

China subsidizes:

Labors housing (massive housing complexes- govt built and maintained)
Labors transportation (high speed wifie'd rail everywhere - cheap to travel)
Labors energy (Chinese govt subidizes workers energy bills)
Labors health care (free)
Labors education (free)

Compared to that- I don't know how anyone can call the U.S. a 'Nanny State'.

Actually - the availability of a healthy, housed, educated and fed labor force is why companies are in China in the first place.

You can't pay labor socialized wages in a capitalist system. You can't have it both ways.

Right now- Chinas socialist system is obviously winning the race.

.

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Implementing big words does nothing for your education, just means you use " fancy " words to sound important.

Still does nothing for your argument, or lack there of!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Implementing big words does nothing for your education, just means you use " fancy " words to sound important.

Still does nothing for your argument, or lack there of!


Unlike you I actually and proficient enough to know how to accurately use them. So sorry. Your claim is baseless.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Unlike you I actually and proficient enough to know how to accurately use them. So sorry. Your claim is baselss.



I thought you just said you were proficient in the skills of reading and spelling. Considering you just stated your profound ability of reading, and big word usage at such an early age?

And yet you can't seem to spell baseless right? Baseless, not Baselss!


Just solidified your ignorance there cup cake!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1


Unlike you I actually and proficient enough to know how to accurately use them. So sorry. Your claim is baselss.
edit on 16-4-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


Uh what?


"Unlike you I actually and"????????????????

What happened to your elite ability to use big words and proper grammar?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 





Unlike you I actually and proficient enough to know how to accurately use them. So sorry. Your claim is baselss.



I thought you just said you were proficient in the skills of reading and spelling. Considering you just stated your profound ability of reading, and big word usage at such an early age?

And yet you can't seem to spell baseless right? Baseless, not Baselss!


Just solidified your ignorance there cup cake!


Nitpicking over grammatical errors? My, my how far have we fallen. Since you can't hit back on facts you hit back based on grammatical errors. Get a hobby seriously because you look like you need one.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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I simply made an observation....

Look, we can banter back and forth all day long. The fact still remains that your arguments have been without facts, only text twisted to suit your basis.

There are a few posters, including myself who have without out a doubt " owned you". You can keep coming back for more, trying to make arguments out of thin air, but your probably better off walking away from this one.

You bragged about your profound knowledge base. When I proved you wrong, you attempt to save face, miserably may I add.

You have shown beyond a reasonable doubt the lack of understanding of the Constitution, you may want to read it some time?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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But since you said this:



Unlike you I actually and proficient enough to know how to accurately use them.



That leaves you open to criticism.

Just admit it kid, you are nothing more than a friendless troll who lives in your moms basement.You will never leave because you are a parasite. Nothing more, nothing less.



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