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The big scientific problem with the idea of Creationism

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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List of former atheists and agnostics >>>Converts and reverts to Christianity


List oMortimer J. Adler - Philosopher who co-founded Great Books of the Western World. Agnostic convert to the Catholic Church.[3][4]
Steve Beren - Former member of the Socialist Workers Party (United States) who became a Protestant conservative politician.[5]
Anders Borg - Sweden's Minister for Finance.[6]
Paul Bourget - French author who became agnostic and positivist at 15, but returned to Catholicism at 35.[7]
Ferdinand Brunetière - Rationalist and freethinking writer who became a Catholic.[8][9]
Julie Burchill - British journalist and feminist.[10]
Kirk Cameron - An American actor best-known for his role as Mike Seaver on the television situation comedy, Growing Pains, as well as several other television and film appearances as a child actor. Today he is a Protestant Evangelical. Recently, he portrayed the lead roles in the Left Behind film series and in the 2008 drama film, Fireproof.[11]
Whittaker Chambers - Former Communist turned conservative writer.[12][13]
Francis Collins - Geneticist who was an atheist until age 27, but then converted to Christianity.[14]
Larry Darby - Holocaust denier and former member of the American Atheists.[15][16]
Joy Davidman - Poet and wife of C. S. Lewis.[17]
Avery Dulles - A Jesuit priest, theologian, and cardinal in the Catholic Church. He was raised Presbyterian, but was an agnostic before his conversion to Catholic Christianity.[18][19]
Dawn Eden - Rock journalist of Jewish ethnicity who went from an agnostic to a Catholic writer, who was particularly concerned with the moral values of chastity.[20][21]
André Frossard - French journalist who was atheist, but converted to the Catholic Church in 1935.[22]
Eugene D. Genovese - Historian who went from Stalinist to conservative theist.[23]
Bo Giertz - Atheistic in youth he became a Lutheran bishop and writer.[24]
Simon Greenleaf - One of the principle founders of Harvard Law School, professor of law at Harvard University and president of the Massachusetts Bible Society.[25]
Tamsin Greig - British actress.[26]
Nicky Gumbel - Raised atheist and became an Anglican. He is known for his work with the Alpha course.[27]
Nina Hagen - German punk musician.[28]
Keir Hardie - Raised atheist and became a Christian Socialist.[29]
Anna Haycraft - Raised as a member of Britain's Comtist and atheistic "Church of Humanity", but became a conservative Catholic Christian in adulthood.[30]
Ammon Hennacy - Initially an atheist labor activist he became a religious pacifist in the Atlanta Penitentiary.[31]
Peter Hitchens - Journalist who went from Trotskyism to Traditionalist conservatism, and estranged brother of outspoken anti-theist and Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens.[32][33]
Paul Jones - Musician, of Manfred Mann. Previously atheist and in 1967 he argued with Cliff Richard about religion on a TV show.[f former atheists and agnostics

en.wikipedia.org...

Just to name a few!




posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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Not many biologists on that list


"A 2009 poll by Pew Research Center found that "87% of scientists say that humans and other living things have evolved over time and that evolution is the result of natural processes such as natural selection. "

en.wikipedia.org...

Who are you going to believe. Kirk Cameron or the guys who are flying around in space? Yeah......



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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Tsk Tsk Tsk dear man, how be it you pluck out one eye in the science and religion debate.

The foundation of the world changed when the forbidden fruit was eaten for then the Christ died and Godhead was seperated from his creation. Each living thing, man included then was no longer a subconcious creation of God but had a conciousness of its own independent from the spiritual body.

We then had root in the old serpent, Leviathan the dragon or dinosaur which emerged from the ocean...that is why it says the seed of the serpent intermingled with the seed of woman...let me explain

Leviathan, in Greek mythology Hydra...was a dragon that represented nature having 7 heads...representing the 7 days of creation. Each day of creation also has symbolic meaning...such as life and life emerging from the dead earth on the third day to branch out in light and spirit symbolic to bringing to life creation through the ressurection. Or that man was made on the 6th day the day that Christ gave up the ghost unto creation...giving to it his life. And how he rested on the sabbath all day in the tomb after completing the Genesis in his death.

There are many secrets...but I am going off track here.

The Leviathan the dinosaur was cast to his belly (as all reptiles do, not just serpents) way before this all happened, as again the foundation of the Earth changed...as though Eden never existed. But Leviathan was in Essence the spirit of god which inhabited all creation...so says scripture he broke the heads of Leviathan and scattered them in the wilderness. Indeed the one God embodied in nature was no more and it all became independent lifeforms.

Creator also took form, in fact he was no longer spirit but flesh...and if you read Genesis his footsteps were heard in the garden.

The first chapter God made man to hold dominion over every living creature and Herb baring seed...a hunter gatherer. After the world was created he made Eden, but so no man to till the ground...so he made a tool maker.
These two people intermingled when Cain was ousted from his family and made an entire city...which would be impossible without others to co-exist alongside the second adam of Eden.

The answers are there oh man. Its just you listen to people who told stories all their life who never believed them enough to find answer.

Truly.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:27 AM
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(a continuation from above)

His eyes were open you see, no longer a subconcious creature of deity...but an independent life form due to the seperation of God from his creation.

After the third day the heavens were made...dont believe me check Genesis.
The Heavens Sun Moon Stars...in essence...time.For after the third day...The Father and the Son became one, as God became the only thing in creation to give life unto himself. Not from the womb, but from non-existence...death...what the Kabbalists call Ein Soff...the abyss. For creator could only make creation in a place where he was not. And in that the Heavens were established.Did you not read? He said he goes to make a new heaven and a new Earth...how silly you never checked to see he had done just that.

And after all these aeons, only now can you see the signature of creator in the design through the seven days or even in the forbidden fruit itself.

The first fruit of God which hung on the branches
It filled womans belly
woman in turn gave it to man
man in turn consumed the firstfruit of God into death
and the shadow of death fell upon all creation

This was written by Jews, and they never saw it to believe it

But I tell you now

In a place without time...the past might as well be prophecy


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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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I agree, but that is not to say there is not a creator - just that science has no business recognising the creator.

Science explains this what we observe and measure in this reality, science is based on facts and uses theories to connect the dots of those facts.

Mathmatics is a tool to explain the measurements of this reality and can be used to calculate other realities are a possiblity

spirituality and philosophy explain what is beyond this reality.


Hence science and mathmatics have no business saying spirituality or philosphy are wrong and spirituality and philosophy and no business saying science is wrong. They can all co exist.

Religion however can be disproven by science, but that does not mean the philosphy or spirituality behind religion is incorrect.

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Really deep down inside, In the soul people know they were created. Most take their anger out on the one they try so much to push away! Time is running out, let go of hatred and have peace!

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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No actually really deep down inside I do not think there exists any God at all. NO grand Architect. No Designer. No Creator. No self aware infinity. It is all mythology made up to try and help people comprehend death. You are so scared of dying that you will believe in anything ANYTHING to try and prevent your mind from going head on with the thought and concept of not existing.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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I hardly think believers are more afraid of death than non believers. Or does non believers have some special ability that makes them care less if they live or die?

I think most everyone at one point in their life has wondered how it all began. If they are believers or not. Even science is looking for the answer to the big question.

Why are you talking about us as if you know us. What you are rambling about is your own believes and how you think we think. I for one don't know what you are talking about, because your not talking about what i believe.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:04 AM
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This "repent now, time is running out" crap is getting a bit old, people have been saying that for hundreds of years...and guess what, they're still waiting



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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I see it the other way around.
There is a big problem with science and thinking that it enables us to use things to our advantage.
The reason it is a problem is because there has been a misunderstanding, a misjudgement. The belief that there is not enough, the scarcity belief . Science tells us that the world is a big scary place and that it is a struggle for survival.
Creation is obvious if we notice. Everything appears from nothing. Have you ever wondered at the miracle of birth? Wow, where does it all come from? Food is provided, everything is provided.
It is easy to put words, descriptions and explanations on everything we experience but the words and explanations never tell the truth.

Science has been perpetuating the lie that life is hard, that to live is to suffer.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I see it the other way around.
There is a big problem with science and thinking that it enables us to use things to our advantage.
The reason it is a problem is because there has been a misunderstanding, a misjudgement. The belief that there is not enough, the scarcity belief . Science tells us that the world is a big scary place and that it is a struggle for survival.
Creation is obvious if we notice. Everything appears from nothing. Have you ever wondered at the miracle of birth? Wow, where does it all come from? Food is provided, everything is provided.
It is easy to put words, descriptions and explanations on everything we experience but the words and explanations never tell the truth.

Science has been perpetuating the lie that life is hard, that to live is to suffer.


Scary is when you sit around and wonder why the gods punish you with magical plague and bad crop seasons. Science takes away the stupid superstition and shows you not to be afraid of the imaginary boogyman. Oh and to answer your questions

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

These words actually DO tell the truth. If you are interested read through about how childbirth works and how crops are formed. No need to be afraid kiddo, I got your back!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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You can believe whatever you will.
That doesn't change reality at all.

Nor does it have any consequence to anybody else's life.
I do not accept hive mind mentality, which people try to assimilate other people into their train of thought for whatever purpose they may have...usually control.

I look for answers and do not dismiss them when I have found them.

There is a super intelligence that even projects form on adaptive or evolved creatures that can not will themselves into being.

To think you are the supreme intelligence of this planet and there is none other here only because you can question your environment...makes you look quite foolish. Because the answers are there before you can even mouth your inqueries.

To think this all an accident is laughable.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Why does a species adapt or evolve...to survive. But it is not something in the power of the individual organism to do...but involves something much greater. Like a giant chessboard which the spirit plays with itself. It takes conciousness to make the decision to survive...and being it is outside of the organism, it ensures a greater force is in play.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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'New Scientific discovery proves atheists are wrong atheists worried about study"


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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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God has instituted laws that do demand payment, if transgressed, -- whether we like it or not. But there is good news for all: The The God of the Bible wants all to be saved; thus the sacrifice of Christ who died “for the sins of the world.” Someone who knows their sins are paid for, And has a spiritual connection to God, Has Nothing To Fear!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Faith2011
"New Scientific discovery proves atheists are wrong atheists worried about study"

I'd be interested in reading the study results for myself, but Barrett doesn't seem to have published them. If the examples given in the interview from which the article was drawn are the most solid, it's still a pretty questionable study. Can you really expect children between the ages of four and seven to have grown up in a completely religion-free bubble? Try sneezing in front of one and seeing what they say. And a twelve month old showing surprise at a movie of a rubber ball seemingly pulling a pile of bricks back into a stack? My niece looks surprised when I play peek-a-boo with her by putting my hands in front of my face. You could argue that it's counterintuitive to see something like that, but there are plenty of examples of observed phenomena that are counterintuitive. I think it's going to take more than that study to worry the atheists.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Why bother publishing the facts if you can just as well make up random crap and post it on the Internet?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Faith2011
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God has instituted laws that do demand payment, if transgressed, -- whether we like it or not. But there is good news for all: The The God of the Bible wants all to be saved; thus the sacrifice of Christ who died “for the sins of the world.” Someone who knows their sins are paid for, And has a spiritual connection to God, Has Nothing To Fear!


And your objective evidence for any of that is...



You've been indoctrinated to believe that since you were a kid, it doesn't match reality...which is kinda sad



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Faith2011
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God has instituted laws that do demand payment, if transgressed, -- whether we like it or not. But there is good news for all: The The God of the Bible wants all to be saved; thus the sacrifice of Christ who died “for the sins of the world.” Someone who knows their sins are paid for, And has a spiritual connection to God, Has Nothing To Fear!


And your objective evidence for any of that is...



You've been indoctrinated to believe that since you were a kid, it doesn't match reality...which is kinda sad


Sad or lucky to be precise.

The thing about evidence is it is corruptable.
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The very fact that there is even a word like God is evidence. Evidence you refuse to accept. So there's just no saving some people. Many will be left to judgement.
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