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Lori Hacking

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posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 01:28 PM
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I have a speculation, they're searhing the landfill because they beleive that mark dumped his wife into a "garbage container"
tv.ksl.com...
It says that in the artical below, not in the tape of the surveilance video, but I know that not all garbage dumpsters are emptied regularly, especially ones around construction sites, wich also get dumped in different locations due to their content, what if she was in one of those?




posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 03:01 PM
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Our local newscasts have been dominated by this story. It is interesting to see the different perspective of those who have some geographical distance. It seems like many who have posted here have a clearer view of what really happened here. The filter of the media mat be useful in this case.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 03:08 PM
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thanks ladysbug for the confirmation that his father is a pediatrician -- my reference to that was in response to

Originally posted by amber83

I noted a discussion on here about the LDS religion, and I'd just like to say that anybody who followed the Elizabeth Smart case...you'll notice the church gave full backing to her family. They won't give it to Mark. Why? Well this is out of personal opinion and not meant to offend, but I was born and raised in Utah, and I am not LDS. I believe they won't give him backing because A: he's really quite guilty and he did a messy job B: He does not come from wealth. He probably could've taken a few pointers from Ed Smart




so I believe that it is more a case of amber83's remark of A. as to why the church isn't backing the family.

Also to me his actions after his wife is missing don't show that he is insane but maybe he is crazy like a fox. I couldn't get the video of him in the store but the still photo's they showed on that link reminded me of "out damn spot" from Shakespeare.




posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 04:51 PM
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Havent read all the predictions,...

but I just saw on the news that he admitted while hospitalized, to another patient, that he killed her while she was sleeping. This led to his arrest.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 06:21 PM
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Mark Hacking did murder Lori Hacking.

He had been planning on it since she confronted him on Friday about the lies. She gave him until the following Friday to move out of the apartment, and had planned on a seperation while they attended counseling at the '___'
church to try andresolve the problems.

He had planned on killing her as late as Saturday night. The wound was so severe that he nearly decapitated her. The organization involved was not placed out very well, but someone who is irrational about their 'missing' spouse doesn't go shopping for a new mattress, and then check into a hotel and dance around naked outside the hotel without some sort of agenda.

He wants the world-at-large to view him a criminally insane. That's why he checked into a psychiatric ward.

He knows all-too-well what he is doing. Is he suffering from insanity? No, he is trying to add another final act to his resume of lies.

Mind you, he did a very miserable job at trying to hide the evidence. This could point that he wanted to be caught, but not until he plays his 'insanity' card.

Mark Hacking also spent time around people who are really insane and suffer from mental disorders. This gives him time to develop his character for trial.

Is Mark Hacking guilty?


Do cows fart?



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 06:29 PM
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FOX NEWS REPORT:

They will before 8pm tonight tell us what Mark hacking was doing while he was killing her, where he put the body and what she was doing while he was killing her.

Tune in, i'm still waiting for the report.

Someone in the hospital allegedly listened to his confession...



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 06:31 PM
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Ok he said he stabbed her while she slept then dumped in her a dumpster.

According to the crime lab they found blood swipes ect, there is a reliable witness they say that the above mentioned is true.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 06:34 PM
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This has been a very interesting case. I find it hard to believe that Mark could have pulled off all these lies for so long and then botch everything having to do with the murder. The latest of his lies to be revealed was his smoking. How do you hide your smoking from a spouse? Non-smokers can smell a cigarette a block away and the smell lingers in your clothing as well as your skin and hair.

This is such a sad case, I just have to feel for all the members of the family. Only the Coen Brothers could come up with something more dark and sinister than this.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 06:47 PM
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One last thing.

I've seen a newsbreak. Details not very clear, but I'm fairly certain that her remains will be found on a day of the week that starts with a 'T'. So either on a Tuesday or Thursday.

The video footage from the convenience store will be invaluable to this case. Mark Hacking stated his wife had left to go for a jog Monday morning, but I don't recall the time. Then he appears in her vehicle after she went on the jog, checking his hands for something, maybe to make sure they are very clean? No trace residue of blood, grit, and muscle?

I can see him looking down on her body at her nearly decapitated head and saying "Oh Sh*t", but it looks like he is surprised at how easily the knife did the job, or maybe at how sharp the knife was?

I'm fairly certain that he cut her into pieces, and then wrapped her in a couple of sheets and put the sheets and the pieces in a few plastic garbage bags. He sprinkled some kind of carpet freshener in the bags before taking them to dumpsters in the nearby area. After finishing the dumps, he realized he had no cigarettes, so went to the convenience store. While he waited for the cashier to get the pack of smokes, Mark checked his hands for any residue or anything that might look out-of-place.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by severance
I'm fairly certain that he cut her into pieces, and then wrapped her in a couple of sheets and put the sheets and the pieces in a few plastic garbage bags.



I am wondering the same thing, if Lori was dismembered. Horrible thought, but with the strangeness of this case, considering the backround of this man, and how effective and convincing he was at manipulating people with his deceptions, I think this is a real possiblity.

How painful for the Soares family who obviously loved and adored their son in law, which is shown by their choice to love and support him even when he checked into the mental facility and things were looking grim. At least, this is the picture the media painted.

Not only has this family lost their precious daughter, they have lost their son in law. A young couple with a life of potential.

This is a tragic loss for these two families. My condolences to them both.

mako



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The more I think about it, I have to wonder. The family stated how much Mark loved Lori. Can anyone on this board imagine just reaching out for your partner in bed and stabbing them while they sleep?

A report also suggests the murder weapon, a knife, was found in the bedroom where they belive Lori was killed. Mark took the time to dispose of the body and yet, "missed" the murder weapon? Left blood on the headboard? This doesn't sound too organized, it sounds very dis-organized.

Lori, unfortunately had to of discovered Mark's fairy tale life and probably threatened to expose him to his family, his father to be more specific, of whom Mark went to extremes to please.

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Ken

posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 08:16 PM
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Well now I understand what I saw and posted a few days ago. He was in a hospital with a knife in his back. There was a woman with bandages on her head as the police took him away.

The knife in his back was symbolic of being "backstabbed" by someone he knew (a family member).

The woman with the bandages on her head? Symbolic of someone in a hospital being treated for something wrong with her head - i.e., a "head" ward - the psych ward.

Too bad I cannot see clearly on all things without symbology creeping in. Oh well, live and learn.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 08:32 PM
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your right about assuming the surveilance video is important evidence, but it was at 1:00ish am that he went to get smokes, she "went jogging" at 5am ish. Another thing is that they found the matress, the top fabric had been cut out of the matress and they think that shes wrapped in that as well as the sheets and blankets that were on the bed. A good story on it at
www.foxnews.com....



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 08:32 PM
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Mako, you have a great head on your shoulders.

I firmly believe he went into the bedroom with the knife and the mindset of murder. He went and got the knife from the kitchen, walked into the bedroom and slashed her throat. He then proceeded to cut her by hand into smaller pieces and distributed her body around the neighborhood into the garbage cans.

This is what is known as PREMEDITATED MURDER.

Even if he had only cut her throat, he had to go get the knife, make his way to the bedroom, and proceed with cutting her throat.

As I said, I also believe that he had planned to slash her throat, not nearly decapitate her. He was an aspiring medical student. Most likely he knew the vital points on the body. He may have misjudged how deep the knife was going, or even how much pressure he was applying to the skin.

Or, she stirred when he sat on the bed, and he became scared. He grabbed her by the hair and cut.

The DA has enough physical evidence WITHOUT a body to convict and sentence to capital punishment. He obviously does NOT want to die, which explains the whole "I'm a f*ckin' wingnut!" act. If I remember my legal history well enough, Utah still has hanging as an option. I say they try hanging him with a weak shoestring. If it breaks, let him sit scared for a few hours while they weaken another one. When that one breaks, bring in the real noose. Turn his execution into a psychological event


J/K.

I agree with you, Mako. The media needs to respect the wishes of the family now, and leave them alone.

But I do think that the media should be allowed to bug the hell out of Mark Hacking. Put him in a glass cell and have everyone laughing at him while he runs around his cell naked yelling "I'm a f*ckin' wingnut!"

Has Mark Hacking really suffered for his crime?

Okay. So how come HIS throat is still intact?

Just once I'd love to hear something in the news where the wife is arrested for killing her husand, but evidence appears that proves she killed him in self defense because he was going to kill her.

In response to the remark about the mattress being cut, of course it was. He was trying to hide the blood in case the mattress was found. Yes, I agree that he is an idiot. It would have been so much easier to set the house on fire with a couple gallons of acetone in the heavily bloodied areas and the mattress. While it would not erase the blood, it would mask it from being detected by certain chemicals (e.g. Luminol).

Now is the time for us men to stop resorting to violence against our women when we don't get our way (okay, the occasional spanking would be fun).


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posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 08:57 PM
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my husband has this weird twich with his leg when he sleeps, he kicks his leg up and down and up and down repeatedly about every half hour. so yes there have been times ive wanted to reach for something sharp and maybe stab him, maybe in the thigh or the buttox, of course wanting to inflict pain, and going past the desire to do so , to the point where you actually do it, or in this case kill the person who you supposedly love crosses a rather large barrier.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 09:10 PM
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And before discounting the hacking-up theory (no pun intended), might I remind any of you of certain cases in criminal history?

Elizabeth 'Lizzy' Borden

Blues musician Elvin Bishop's daughter and ex-wife

Jeffrey Daumer

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posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 09:19 PM
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About my comment on why the church won't back Mark, it's because he is guilty, and since the church runs this state, of course they knew...in the words of Biff Tannen in Back to the Future II, "kid, I OWN the police!"
Anyway, that's why they won't back him and they're right, he is guilty. The insanity plea is trés difficult to get in this state but I am not sure why. I think it's fairly obvious this murder was premediated, but that's just my opinion. I imagine they'll find her in pieces, or maybe just a few pieces of her. But-- if there is already enough to convict, that says something.

As far as hanging in Utah, lethal injection replaced that option in 1980. But firing squad still remains an option. He seems to be overly dramatic and very good at it somewhat, so he'll probably choose that. Personally I think he should be tied to a circle and dismembered...


At any rate, I hope he is convicted because the big boys down at point of the mountain (where the Utah state prison is located between Salt Lake and Utah county) will have a fun time with him. They should make him wear a dress! Ha, j/k

Do you think that he's being made an example of? I'm wondering...



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by kastinyque
your right about assuming the surveilance video is important evidence, but it was at 1:00ish am that he went to get smokes, she "went jogging" at 5am ish. Another thing is that they found the matress, the top fabric had been cut out of the matress and they think that shes wrapped in that as well as the sheets and blankets that were on the bed. A good story on it at
www.foxnews.com....


Granted, this was 'The Timeline According to Mark Hacking'.

The surveilance camera with Mark alone was 01:30 AM. They went to the store together at around 21:30 PM. She supposedly went jogging at 05:00 AM.

This means he commited the heinous act between 21:45-ish PM and 01:10-ish AM.

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posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by amber83
About my comment on why the church won't back Mark, it's because he is guilty, and since the church runs this state, of course they knew...in the words of Biff Tannen in Back to the Future II, "kid, I OWN the police!"
Anyway, that's why they won't back him and they're right, he is guilty. The insanity plea is trés difficult to get in this state but I am not sure why. I think it's fairly obvious this murder was premediated, but that's just my opinion. I imagine they'll find her in pieces, or maybe just a few pieces of her. But-- if there is already enough to convict, that says something.

As far as hanging in Utah, lethal injection replaced that option in 1980. But firing squad still remains an option. He seems to be overly dramatic and very good at it somewhat, so he'll probably choose that. Personally I think he should be tied to a circle and dismembered...


At any rate, I hope he is convicted because the big boys down at point of the mountain (where the Utah state prison is located between Salt Lake and Utah county) will have a fun time with him. They should make him wear a dress! Ha, j/k

Do you think that he's being made an example of? I'm wondering...


Ok. So how about shoot him with bean bags and rubber bullets for 20 minutes...you know, make him sweat for a while before a sharpshooter plants a few hollow point exploding shells in his head from 75 yards out.

Just my two cents worth



UPDATE:

Well, it appears the SLP have finally found a body at the Land Fill.

The remains were positively identified as Jimmy Hoffa


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Ken

posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 10:22 PM
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Just watched Greta Van Suteren on TV. She was showing how Mark Hacking had another identity ( I do not remember the name she howed ).

I think that explains the beard I saw him wearing that looked fake to me. Se my post from July 27.

I sure as heck wish that I could see things "clean" sometimes without the symbology.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ken
Just watched Greta Van Suteren on TV. She was showing how Mark Hacking had another identity ( I do not remember the name she howed ).

I think that explains the beard I saw him wearing that looked fake to me. Se my post from July 27.

I sure as heck wish that I could see things "clean" sometimes without the symbology.


Saw that too.

So it is completely possible that he may have killed before. Under an assumed identity.

I think this whole thing explains so much, since I had a vision of Mark Hacking wearing a red checkered dress and the word 'BITCH' tatooed on his forehead...oh, and he was mingling with general population.

Maybe it was a premonition?




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