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COINTEL PRO guide .. closed thread... poor newbie!

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posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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well this was just posted in the introductions forum but some noob. poor guy didnt read teh T&C and the thread was closed. seems the content was ok, but he used an introduction thread to post it


just in case you missed it, and want to read it, i will repost it so people can reply.

even if its all lies, its a good read.


............ KineticX ...............
I came across this while researching. I wanted to get the forum members ideas and thoughts on it. Can anyone help me verify if this was written by someone normal or if it is an excerpt from a government handbook?

"COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum.. There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING' If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING' A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com...) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION' Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION' Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING' Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL' It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes. CONCLUSION Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ." edit on 11-4-2011 by KineticX because: updated question



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 12:03 AM
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WoW, this looks pretty familiar to some of the techniques that are used on GLP and ATS. The content seems very realistic to me.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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you know ...i feel the same way. BUT

its easy to imagine that someone who was ticked off with how some people behave could come up with this list as well.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Interesting, but i think ATS have a longer list



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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I have seen a few of those tactics getting played. Considering how many good threads end up in the hoax bin it does appear that some moderators have certain sympathies. Then there are quite a few threads that do get quickly dropped as well, some of them sounded very interesting. Topic dilution is a common on with the 9/11 threads. Consensus cracking is more common with the UFO stuff. Disinformation techniques have been around for a while, it is good to get the occasional heads up.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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Don't forget "T-issue -ROLLING- the firehose or pipe".


Insert a bunch of topics like:

"Why Rednecks hate Jesus"
"Guns and Jesus are a sign of a closeted homosexual"
"Atheism is right, Religion is what's left"
"Jesus was a hitler time travel experiment".

Keep the topics rolling fast and people too busy with being insulted and personally attacked.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Atlantican
Don't forget "T-issue -ROLLING- the firehose or pipe".


Insert a bunch of topics like:

"Why Rednecks hate Jesus"
"Guns and Jesus are a sign of a closeted homosexual"
"Atheism is right, Religion is what's left"
"Jesus was a hitler time travel experiment".
Keep the topics rolling fast and people too busy with being insulted and personally attacked.



Agreed, this is perhaps the most popular way to do it.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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Thank you for re-posting. I posted it in the introductions section because i knew I didnt have enough rights yet to create it in the proper thread area. But i thought the content was of enough interest to see what other people thought about these tactics. I also am hoping to validate if this has come from an excerpt of a government manual somewhere...



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by KineticX
I also am hoping to validate if this has come from an excerpt of a government manual somewhere...


some of the blatant grammar errors prettty much rule that out



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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There are 3 things that "will not" be tolerated here at ATS...They are 1) The Truth...2)The Whole Truth....3) Nothing But The Truth....so if you post any of the above, look for your post to be deleted and a warning sent to you....



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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I have to disagree. Sure there are skeptics but in all the time I lurked and since I became a member, I haven't seen a lot of that. Don't forget the programming behind the scenes does the work. If I'm looking for a particular thread such as one of the most excellent ones I've started, I just use the recent posts and look for it.

Just because a thread is started doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be popular or responded to. Especially if the the use of the language is dipliorable and the spilling is pour.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Everyone on ATS should read this.
Knowing this information makes it easier for the truth seeking members of ATS, to identify the disinfo agents and there techniques.
Thanks both of you for posting.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by KineticX
I also am hoping to validate if this has come from an excerpt of a government manual somewhere...


hi there
found it originaly firt time posted at The Information Underground
Posted by MikeWB : author
theinfounderground.com...

edit on 12-4-2011 by cyberv0id because: unecesary part of quote removed



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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I can tell you this. This manual will cause alot of ATS members to delete their accounts and go into hiding. I hope someone can verify the content, becuase it is making me a little paranoid.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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you know ...i feel the same way. BUT its easy to imagine that someone who was ticked off with how some people behave could come up with this list as well.



So if the old secret services have devised lengthy plans with multiple agents and manuals just to control a global market of about 5,000 people per day on ATS then they've wasted their time. You could pack more people in a public phone box than you get on ATS.

You don't need the secret services to fudge the forums on ATS. Why pay for something that you get for free? All you need is a bunch of 16-25 year old's who want to "build up their stars" look cool and have a bit of a laugh and a poke in the comments and hay presto, your well researched and reasoned post about Psy-ops has been deluged under a mountain of tat.

Probably best to stick a costume on those "ATS forum fudging agents", give them a badge, a knight stick and send them out revenue collecting from people who do 31mph in a 30 zone.

Some of the mods do tend to offer some strange anti truth theories though.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Quite interesting indeed. But it would seem likely that some or all of these tactics are being used. I mean they set up a special security group to help manage the information war around 911 truth:

Simple google search on it turned up the following:

www.youtube.com...

As a side note: They may not have created a secret cabal of people but may do parts of this through automated software programs..

edit on 13-4-2011 by KineticX because: updated



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Very interesting read!. Despite the spelling and gramatical errors, it makes complete sense. I too have seen these kinds of things happening on this and many other forums. While it may not really be from some official manual, I can see how, by following its steps, one could effectivly try and control a forum.
edit on 13-4-2011 by QBSneak000 because: spelling



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by okamitengu
even if its all lies, its a good read.


Essentially, anyone who disagrees with one's poorly-researched and highly-contrived "conspiracy" musings must be part of a Counter Intelligence Program?

The information presented is little more than ridiculous dismissive nonsense designed to cast aspersions on any who may disagree with one's theories.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Essentially, anyone who disagrees with one's poorly-researched and highly-contrived "conspiracy" musings must be part of a Counter Intelligence Program?

The information presented is little more than ridiculous dismissive nonsense designed to cast aspersions on any who may disagree with one's theories.



Can you provide more basis for your opinion? Why is this ridiculous and dismissive? What basis are you making for your premise? The general theme of the document is outlining ways to counter legitimate free speech from existing.....so im confused on what that has to do with disagreements in content..



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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S%F for rescueing this from oblivion

sure maybe it is BS but if it goes unseen, how can one evaluate judge?

the sliding technique i've actually seen in recent days,

used by Con-trollers

but let's not go there...




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