Reactor 3 core and the possibility of magma movements under Fukushima

OK. So I didn't actually want to create a thread to get this answered, but the question has been ignored on the other threads I have asked it on, and I am beginning to wonder if I am invisible.

Is it possible or plausible the corium that has melted into the bedrock beneath the Fukushima Daiichi plant from reactor three and (and possibly from reactor one, as well) could be increasing the seismic instability in the area?

My info about the state of the reactors comes from Redneck, the forum moderator on the Japan nuclear emergency thread. I have been keeping up with the thread since it's beginning and he and Silverlok and Zorgon have done a lot on this. His explanations aren't what's up for debate here.

Starting last night (Japan time) there has been a series of earthquakes in Fukushima.

This is only the last 30.

Latest Earthquakes (past 30 quakes)Date Location Magnitude Japanese seismic scale (Max)
Latest Earthquakes (past 30 quakes)Date Location Magnitude Japanese seismic scale (Max)
2011/04/12 05:31:32 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M3.2 3
2011/04/12 05:27:21 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M3.5 2
2011/04/12 05:03:43 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.7 4
2011/04/12 05:00:04 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M3.3 2
2011/04/12 04:43:47 Nakado-ri, Fukushima M4.2 3
2011/04/12 03:31:47 (Cancel)
2011/04/12 03:15:16 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M3.5 2
2011/04/12 02:53:26 Off the coast of Fukushima M5.5 1
2011/04/12 02:21:00 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.5 3
2011/04/12 01:49:17 Nakado-ri, Fukushima M4.4 4
2011/04/12 01:19:19 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M3.2 2
2011/04/12 01:12:49 Off the coast of Fukushima M4.9 2
2011/04/12 00:55:12 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.1 3
2011/04/12 00:43:14 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.8 4
2011/04/12 00:21:38 Northern Ibaraki M4.7 4
2011/04/12 00:08:05 Off the coast of Fukushima M4.1 1
2011/04/11 23:08:47 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.2 3
2011/04/11 23:02:05 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.3 3
2011/04/11 22:59:50 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.3 3
2011/04/11 22:24:09 Off the coast of Miyagi M4.4 2
2011/04/11 22:21:01 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.4 4
2011/04/11 22:19:17 Off the coast of Fukushima M4 1
2011/04/11 22:05:39 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.8 4
2011/04/11 22:04:34 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M3.1 2
2011/04/11 21:47:19 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M4.5 4
2011/04/11 21:16:26 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M3.3 2
2011/04/11 21:13:10 Okitama, Yamagata M4.9 4
2011/04/11 21:06:17 Northern Ibaraki M3.5 2
2011/04/11 20:53:48 Off the coast of Fukushima M3.8 2
2011/04/11 20:42:34 Hamado-ri, Fukushima M5.9 5-upper

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Now, I am not an expert on nuclear, volcanoes or earthquakes, so don't expect me to have any idea what I am saying. I am asking the question for those who have a better understanding of the nature of these things.

If the corium that has dropped into the bedrock, has superheated the surrounding fractured bedrock into magma, wouldn't this be as though a small volcano has begun forming. And if the corium fell to a certain depth before reaching a stasis point, could that possibly be why these quakes are primarily occurring at the same depth? Could this newly formed molten rock be destabilizing the area further?

Note, I am not saying this is what caused the quakes, or that OH NO something worse is going to happen. I am just trying to ask what happens when a cracked bedrock is suddenly inundated with lava?

Thank you to anyone who responds, but particularly to those who respond with logical answers!

And wouldn't you know it, as soon as I post this I get a response on one of theother threads. Gah.

True America pointed out that the quake series is not centered on the location of the plant, ad some of the quakes are up to 35 miles away.

Thank you! I am still wondering what the effect of the magma could have on the bedrock, but it does not necessarily have any effect on the current series of quakes.

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reply to post by TrueAmerican


I know, I know. If I had just been a patient a few minutes longer.

Thank you for replying!

Or it's HAARP. Is their site back up yet?

Anyway, this does look ominous. Let us hope this is minor pressure release and not an uglier scenario.

Mt spidy sense is tingling though.

Well I think something's certainly going on, but we will be the last to be told as TPTB have a habit of spinning us a yarn for as long as possible, they will wait until the whole planet is irradiated then decide to let it out that the water is contaminated or something, I dont trust what they say any more.

If you have a firecracker go off on the palm of your hand you will feel a quick burst with some heat with little to no pain. Close your hand around a firecracker and have it go off will drastically alter the effects bringing enormous pain and largescale tissue damage.

Any of the material in a true meltdown situation would indeed burn through bedrock, this does not mean it would flow straight down though. Just like any other material it would follow the path of least resistance. Suppose a fracture existed caused by one of the thousands of quakes in recent days in Japan. Lets say the fracture runs under the reactors if the material flowed into this fracture it would follow the fracture. And would do so until it explodes, being under ground like the enclosed firecracker analogy would have an increased effect on the bedrock. Im certain this would indeed be felt as an earthquake unless very near the surface where the explosion would then be able to break the surface. However I think it would have strange characteristics unlike normal earthquakes, where the they would feel stronger then the initial measurements and be of a longer duration then normal quakes.

I do not claim that this has indeed happened, but I would say it is indeed possible. I also believe that its what will happen if total meltdowns progress into a "china syndrome". With the massive amounts of materials being taken into consideration if this happened it could literally break Japan into pieces seeing much of it slide into the ocean. Volcanic activity would of course also occur as magma chambers are effected. And if that happened it would set off a chain reaction for the entire ring of fire. Then the rest of the Earth. If the effects were cumulative the entire earth could shake...

ok Im gonna shutup now...

Originally posted by orinoco4
I dont trust what they say any more.

Welcome to the club. I haven't trusted what They say for a number of years.

reply to post by 5StarOracle


Ok Wow! While incredibly informative, you just depressed the rat farts out of me.

So now for another dumb question, what would cause it to explode? Would it be from hitting air or water pockets? I know we always think of nuclear in terms of blasts, but other than the hydrogen explosions that hasn't seemed to be the case here.

Also, why would the earthquakes feel stronger and be longer?

Thank you for the info!

reply to post by amarenell


Well I propose because this would not be originally induced by normal plate movements, instead would be kickstarted by an explosion. This would lead to pockets and then fractures as well upheaval and collapsing of the pockets with possible plate movent if faults are in the effected areas.

Taking that into consideration is why I believe they would feel stronger and last longer. I also assume this would fool us by showing more then 1 epicenters as matierials from said eplosions would also seek out and follow fractures in this process. And when this material travelling its path ran out of its path of said fracture another explosive force as it path is diverted and new fracturing occur's untill its energy is depleted. This material super hot travelling at inredible speed underground would have a tremendous force because of it.

Please dont take this as fact, its just what im proposing possible in my opinion...

reply to post by 5StarOracle


Thanks 5StarOracle

I get that you are just trying to think out loud over the possible ramifications.

That was my point in asking all this. Everyone is worried about the radiation, and don't get me wrong, that is HUGE, but what about what that fallen core is doing.

We don't know. It has never happened before and it is a guessing game. But NO one is talking about it. People bring up China syndrome, but sort of laugh it off and go on talking about the raised levels of radiation in the milk in Arkansas. They may even talk about how radiation is leaking out of the bedrock and into the Pacific.

But I want to know, what is that lump of reactive super-heat producing core doing to the ground under Japan????