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Should the super rich bail us out

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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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If a rich person paid your debts and your mortgage and sorted out all your financial mistakes you would just repeat it all over again. It's proven. Plus just look at lottery winners who have never had money, a lot of them lose it all. Idiots.

If you were serious about starting again you would stop spending on alcohol, cigarettes, lotteries, drugs, porn etc etc and start clearing debt and working harder to eleiminate it. Sure it would take time but I've seen so many do it and clear debt and then be in a really good position in 5-8 years time.

Actually, the only thing the rich do and the poor don't is just that. I know so mnay rich people that started
with less than you have it's not funny.

So stop moaning and get of your ass and do something. Even $1000 in 2005 would have been $3300 today. Don't know much about metals, try buying something cheap your interested in, cars, boats, electronics and then resell them. You can start somewhere. Then you get clever and being learning what those that make money do. It doesn't grow on trees, they work at it, they learn and they earn it.

Or just go to your old job tommorrow and do the same thing for the next 30 years and then die. Leave your kids nothing and show them nothing.

Anyone can lift themselves if they really want to. Trouble is, they don't want to. I don't know how mnay I've offerred chances to increase income by 3-4 times but they just don't want to do the work.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by BaZooKa

Originally posted by FarBeyondDriven69
No the system is broken and needs fixed by the people, all the American people!


Right, but it is a global system that needs fixing and requires more than just American cooperation


No it isn't and no it doesn't. Contrary to popular belief we do not have a global government, and while the market system has aspects of a global market, it would not require cooperation from the rest of the world for Americans to simply just fix the system here in the United States.

I am astounded at how many people, upon starting a new business, actually go to their local government and apply for a business license. Of course, City Hall will inform them that they will not be granted a license to do business until they have first gone to the IRS and obtained a federal tax identification number. It doesn't seem to bother a soul that local governments are working in collusion with the federal government to make sure someone who has not yet made a dime off of the business they haven't even started yet make themselves liable for an "income tax". It doesn't seem to bother people at all that they are applying for licenses in order to do what are generally a right to do.

These licensing schemes, and of course, "income tax schemes" were not how the federal government, or even local governments operated back in the 18th Century. These licensing schemes and credentialism have done much to close up an economic system. All closed systems tend towards entropy.

Americans need to cooperate in opening up the market, not agreeing to close it further.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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No, Why should I pay for something that wasn't my mistake? I wasn't the one who crashed the economy with stupid choices to get more money. Also I work hard for my money, that money is my own. I'm not paying for the governments mistakes.

I have more money but I worked hard for it my family worked hard for it. I didn't step on/use the underprivileged but my family worked hard at their jobs. Not to mention my own father lost a lot of his money and respect from his work community by helping with a social housing project for a children's hospital. So For all of you who think all rich people are scum, think twice and realize your generalizations are uncalled for. Its like saying all poor people are lazy when in fact no they aren't.

So do you think I deserve to pay for the mistakes of others?



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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So the super rich are never going to pay what they dont need to get rid of some debts, and thats fine by me. But i'll be sure to withhold some of my tax for the next bail out.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Watch the video in this Post.

It will clearly show you how taxation of the rich cannot support our current level of spending.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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Indeed, the rich are in a much better position to defeat an indirect tax than most poor people are.


If we, the people, stopped buying some of their crappy things, they would be more careful in what they market. But if it glitters, its OK for the poor. An ATSer recently posted the idea that if we only went to buy gas at one company, the others would have no choice but to lower their prices.

He was right, but no one wants to do their part. It's called conditioning.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Who really owes us is the oil companies...

Just my opinon but gasoline should be capped and regulated like water and electricity. Its vital to the people, the economy and the future and right now its crippling all three.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by NowanKenubi
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 





Indeed, the rich are in a much better position to defeat an indirect tax than most poor people are.


If we, the people, stopped buying some of their crappy things, they would be more careful in what they market. But if it glitters, its OK for the poor. An ATSer recently posted the idea that if we only went to buy gas at one company, the others would have no choice but to lower their prices.

He was right, but no one wants to do their part. It's called conditioning.


I agree with you there! I haven't bought none of their crap for eons!
I wish everyone was as smart as us.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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So you people hate that illegals aliens are living off your hard earned money and then you people have the gall to ask the rich to give you their hard earned money..



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Not many of the uber rich have had to work hard to get where they are at unless you count working the system and screwing the working class as hard work.

This government has made it clear that they will do nothing about illegals, going as far as to fight states who try to do something themselves.

There is a differance between people that come here illegally to take advantage and regular hard working people who struggle to put food on the table due to the greed of people in power.
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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by jstanthrno1
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This government has made it clear that they will do nothing about illegals, going as far as to fight states who try to do something themselves.

There is a differance between people that come here illegally to take advantage and regular hard working people who struggle to put food on the table due to the greed of people in power.
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Ummm..no...both are looking for handouts. The successful just got lucky or worked their butts off to get where they are. You are either not working hard enough or just aren't that lucky...



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Xiamara
No, Why should I pay for something that wasn't my mistake? I wasn't the one who crashed the economy with stupid choices to get more money. Also I work hard for my money, that money is my own. I'm not paying for the governments mistakes.

I have more money but I worked hard for it my family worked hard for it. I didn't step on/use the underprivileged but my family worked hard at their jobs. Not to mention my own father lost a lot of his money and respect from his work community by helping with a social housing project for a children's hospital. So For all of you who think all rich people are scum, think twice and realize your generalizations are uncalled for. Its like saying all poor people are lazy when in fact no they aren't.

So do you think I deserve to pay for the mistakes of others?

Hi! do not get angry with this toth, what i am saying is if i have a few millions of $$$ in the bank and the bank or the economy fails, what good would of having all that money do. i would loose it all.

just saying before the s##t it's the fan and you loose all your money, you could do good with it.

WHERE WILL IT ALL END?

It will end with less and less welfare, health care, pensions, etc., and finally end with riots in the streets and a tyrant running our goverment. You may say it can't happen here. It's happening in every country in the world where debt and interest become unpayable.

If you have a boat and there is a hole in it, you will not plug it because you did not make the hole, but you do understand that if no one plugs this hole, you will sink with the others.

I am just thinking that if the $ fails, we all fail... so keep your money under your bed and wish all will be well you can keep your dream money. it does not even exist if you do not use it. Now, consider this: A third of the world's people lived on less than $2 a day,
and 1,2 billion people lived on less than $1 a day. You,
we, can easily change this by passing on information that causes an increase in
wealth consciousness. It will trickle over - you just do your bit. Imagine how much
wealthier you would be if an extra 1 billion people had disposable income and
could afford your products and services.
than enough supply to make the average person today into a billionaire with
billionaire living standards, and make the billionaire of today into a multitrillionaire.
If you wish to be a multi-trillionaire, cause the world to have billionaire
consciousness, and they will afford the currently unimaginable goods and
services that you will be selling to them, and have the faith to produce them for
you as your employees.
Let us find ways of introducing wealth consciousness education at every
level of our education systems. Let us re-work the format of our economics,
businesses, and news reporting to align with wealth consciousness. For
example, there is really not much of a point in reporting on how much of a
recession danger and fear there is. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It brings fear
into the consciousness and causes worry.
I am also convinced that charities, instead of giving away food alone, should
spend half their contributions on distributing study material on wealth
consciousness. After all, giving a man fish is very commendable, but showing
him how to fish releases him from dependency and poverty and takes him to selfreliance,
wealth and growth. It turns him from a receiver into a giver and earner.
There is a lot we can do; we have only just barely begun. But it is a good
direction we have all taken. peace be on you my friend.







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posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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A tax on your income is the root of all evil.

The federal government should impose 0% income tax.
A national sales tax of 1% should suffice to do whatever it is those douche bags do in Washington, DC.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Lets have the millitary industrial complex bail us out. If we took troops out of korea, germany(ya I think we got hitler) Italy, etc. we would be out of debt. We should spend our tax money on bettering America, not policing the world, and paying for killing machines we're not even aloud to see.
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posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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Should the super rich bail us out, LOL

Reminds me of a game of monopoly years ago in which someone won nearly everything on the board --- and had to start giving back to the rest in order to keep the game going



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Dock9
Should the super rich bail us out, LOL

Reminds me of a game of monopoly years ago in which someone won nearly everything on the board --- and had to start giving back to the rest in order to keep the game going


very good, there is no best way to win, in the end we always loose the game.
if you really love the game why on earth would you want it to end.
the guys that developed monopoly they knew...



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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I dont know. On one hand, it would be nice if they gave to charity and created buisnesses and jobs and helped out, on the other hand, they worked hard for there money. So SHOULD they? No, they arent obligated to do anything, but would it be nice and would I do it if I could? Of course.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Should they be required, forced, or co-erced to bail us out? Absolutely No. But one of the first statements I heard from Donald Trump (and what impressed me most about him) was love for the US and the opportunity to become rich because of being here. Those who have made an honest success of themselves (and MANY of those people do exist) are in the very best position to figure out how to fix what's wrong with this country. They have the power (or far more power than the average citizen) to exert political influence and make it happen.
So, in that regard, yeah. They should re-invest in their country.

If some of these guys stepped up, we'd be back on our feet, quick. We need their financial investment, but more than that, we need their management skills. Our so called "experts" and the politicians are only *theorists*. BIG difference.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by DogsDogsDogs
. But one of the first statements I heard from Donald Trump (and what impressed me most about him) was love for the US and the opportunity to become rich because of being here.



Getting rich is the highest expression of love of all things uniquely American?

At least that's what the first line is wondering.



posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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If even the rich do not have enough money to save the country from debt, i have to ask, who do we owe all this
money, they seem to be plenty rich... what happens if they just forgive and start over. what would they really loose. if the $ crashes they loose.... if they start over they still are alive to win again. Am i the only one who thinks that we really should simply close the books and start over....




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