Does Government Enforced Gun Control Work, Or Is It Just False Safety?

After the shootings yesterday in the small town of Alphen aan den Rijn in the Netherlands, it sounds like at least one is starting to see the light.

Dutch town in shock after shooting rampage

A gunman's deadly rampage through a shopping mall was met on Sunday with disbelief by residents of a quiet Dutch town who once thought such carnage could not happen in their country.

"This is something you usually see in America, not in the Netherlands," said local resident Martin van der Ploeg as he fixed his motorbike near the mall.

"Dutch people consider themselves down to earth. We don't have this sort of excess," Van der Ploeg said.

"This was my home, my sanctuary, where I need to feel safe, and now that's gone."

The reality is any time you create a "gun free zone" you are just making the people in those zones vulnerable to madmen and those who would do harm!

Those who are criminals seek out areas where law abiding citizens are by STATUTE unable to legally be armed to commit the worst atrocities!

The reality is if you make guns illegal only outlaws have guns!

It works in Switerland. But then again, they do compulsory national service once a year, learn discipline and how to properly fire a gun.

Gun Politics in Switzerland

Every male in Switzerland has a gun and ammo. If you want to call that gun control, ok. But to answer the question, look up violent crime statistics by state. For example, California has very strict gun control laws. Washington State does not. Well, it's pretty mid-range. But look up violent crime and you see that Califiornia's violent crime rate is over double Washington's. It's best not to over reach conclusions here, but at least you can say that strict gun control measures do not work.

And, of course, "gun free zones" amount to flashing red lights for criminals which say, "Victims here."

Here's one site you can use to plug in comparisons

What it implies to me is that the gun control measures actually DO work. If they did not you would expect to see many more incidents like it, rather than a single isolated incident that shocked the locals because it never happens there.

Yes, one lone nutter went bonkers. I'd say that's a pretty damn good statistic against the US's track record - even taking population differences into account.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II

Is It Just False Safety?

Safety is false.

Most homeowners lock a deadbolt, on a door, that is next to big windows.

People think they call the police to stay safe, while their life could end while the police are en route.

Airbags in cars that are asphalt that can just peel off the Earth in a natural disaster.

Safety is an illusion...like currency being equal to value.

Peace

Reply to post by Kryties

You're assuming a direct corellation.

It doesn't work that way.

There are too many variables to count. No way something as simple and inherently inconsistent as "law" makes any significant difference in the end violent actions of any individual let alone a group as large as a nations population.

When it comes down to t all "law" is essentially a feel-good measure powerless to alter or limit behavior.


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Well said. There is no 'safety.' Anyone who tells you there is is trying to sell you something. Gun control is just another prohibition, and those are only effective at denying certain things to the law-abiding. People who go on shooting spree's or who use guns to commit crimes are not law-abiding, and guns are at least as easy to buy on the black market as drugs are.

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Government sponsored gun control works very, very well. Just ask Hitler, Mao, or Stalin. The only ones protected are those who institute the control.

Originally posted by Kryties
What it implies to me is that the gun control measures actually DO work. If they did not you would expect to see many more incidents like it, rather than a single isolated incident that shocked the locals because it never happens there.

Yes, one lone nutter went bonkers. I'd say that's a pretty damn good statistic against the US's track record - even taking population differences into account.

You are forgetting that the Netherlands is a lot smaller than the US. They have around 16 million people. We have over 300 million.

So, to be statistically even, we would have to have 20 mass shooting for every one of theirs.

In Japan where guns are illegal, people hold elementary schools hostage and commit crimes with knives.
We going to make knives illegal too?

Originally posted by BlubberyConspiracy
In Japan where guns are illegal, people hold elementary schools hostage and commit crimes with knives.
We going to make knives illegal too?

It is like people tying the number of suicides to gun ownership in the US.

If you look at the true statistics………

en.wikipedia.org...

We come 39 th. With 11.1 per 100k.
Japan comes in at # 5 with 24.4 per 100k

Japan doesn’t have guns, so they kill themselves in other ways.

The point is…. It isn’t the instruments, it is the will to do the act. Where there is a will, there is a way. If they want to kill themselves bad enough, or kill other people, they will find a way. The lack of access to guns, or knives is not going to stop someone that has forsaken their life. If you are already at the point that your life means nothing, then how is a few legal restrictions going to stop you?

Like the other incident the article points out. In 2009, someone deliberately drove a car through a crowd and killed seven people. Should we outlaw cars?

Inanimate objects don’t kill people. People kill people.. The object they used to kill those people is kind of ancillary information.

The reality is any time you create a "gun free zone" you are just making the people in those zones vulnerable to madmen and those who would do harm!

Those who are criminals seek out areas where law abiding citizens are by STATUTE unable to legally be armed to commit the worst atrocities!