posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 09:50 AM
reply to post by AlphaZero
I found an article on it shortly after posting that. If you think that technology is literally able to read and decode thoughts, I don't think
you understood what the limitations were. It requires a clear mathematical model or sensory input and motor function. That's far from the potential
complexity of the mind.
Yea, and they said heavier than air flight was impossible and that a human breaking the sound barrier would turn into mush. We're on the verge of
technologically being able to reproduce the complexity of a human brain. Soon, possibly within the next 50 years we'll be able to upload the human
mind into a computer, essentially cheating death.
And what do you mean you've "done" the qualia argument before? Assuming you agree with materialist philosophers such as Daniel Dennett, you
realize that his theories and books are bashed just as much as idealist ones, correct?
I mean I've argued with people who exchange the word qualia as if it means something inherently different than the word experience alone.
I see a certain wavelength of light as a color I define as a red.
A color blind person is unable to see that wavelength the same way.
The wavelength stays the same regardless.
Therefore experience or "qualia" of that wavelength means nothing, it doesn't change the wavelength or properties of light.
No matter how much we try to describe the inherent limitations of materialism, they will be stuck in their beliefs much like dogmatic religious
What limitations? Materialistic science has brought many great scientific achievments, one in which right now you are using to bash it. Idealism has
brought... wait for it.... Still waiting? So am I and the rest of the world.
reply to post by NewlyAwakened
Experience, or idea I suppose, is primary. Matter and energy are inductive inferences derived from experience. The same sort of reasoning that
says "The sun will rise tomorrow morning because that's what it always does" underlies all of science.
The physical process of orbital physics in relation to the Sun and Earth has been going on before humans evolved, before we defined it, before we
measured it, before we described it in language. The analogy is piss poor as it assumes the Earth only began to orbit the Sun when we first proposed
Now for science it is convenient to use material as a starting point for many types of experiments. It's easy to forget that experience, idea,
is still in front of all of this. So of course using this starting point you won't find any evidence! The evidence is right in front of your face, in
front of your starting point!
Every experiment conducted into the realms of idealism has provided no new insights or technologies, nor has any evidence been shown.
Spiritualism/metaphysics is an archaic superstitious archaic belief system that has evolved and changed over the thousands of years since Og first
asked where it all came from.
reply to post by Jezus
That was towards Matrix, because he's a loony who bitches about materialism supposedly having no evidence for it whilst never providing evidence for
his fantastical idealistic magic world.