Oprah Winfrey, The Eighth Sphere and the Secret War for Your Soul

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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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I don't get how this relates to Oprah or why this is suspected to be anything more than bologna.

The moon feeds off of negative energy? OK?

What if I say that black holes are time portals then give reasons why I believe that. Does that change whether it is any more or less true?

Some things I think man is simply not able to know conclusively and discussing it as if it can be, is meaningless. Entertaining, yes. Proves anything? no.




posted on May, 9 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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I don't get how this relates to Oprah or why this is suspected to be anything more than bologna.


The Oprah clip is there to demonstrate the potential importance of spontaneous, genuine unity.


The moon feeds off of negative energy? OK?[


OK.



What if I say that black holes are time portals then give reasons why I believe that. Does that change whether it is any more or less true?


If you put forth a well-supported case, I'd certainly examine it on its own merits, and draw my own conclusions. Feel free to do the same with the info presented on this thread. Relativism is a sad state, friend. It renders you mentally impotent.


Some things I think man is simply not able to know conclusively and discussing it as if it can be, is meaningless. Entertaining, yes. Proves anything? no.


Meaning is where you invest it, why are you invested in meaninglessness? Nothing empirical here, but quite a bit of it can be tested in your own inner lab.
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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Ah, geez! I was getting ready to move gallons of snake oil here on this thread and you had to come along with your questions. Thanks alot.


Actually this is a good opportunity to test out this whole top-down, Open Source approach to all of this that was begun by my mentor weeks ago. So thank you for the opportunity. I will take your questions one at a time...

First keep in mind that most of the folks that are still around and posting are already sold out on the idea that there is something nefarious going on in terms of our 'spiritual free-will' or whatever. You kinda come across as an agnostic so I know that you must know that there is a fundamental difference between us so...



I don't get how this relates to Oprah or why this is suspected to be anything more than bologna.


Well, I think that it relates to Oprah because when I saw this very carefully arranged 'Flash-Mob' I could not help but think, "Wow, we have this beautiful ability and these bastards are going to co-opt and commodify that too". I had also been looking at information about Neanderthal and their overly large hypo-glossal canals and the things in the Bible concerning Gods original creation and how they were in constant communion with God singing his praises. That is what got me to thinking about all that. See? You have to come pre-equipped with certain features to have notions and questions like that. That is why you may find Bologna but others may find Archons and giant Lunar soul-magnets.
It is suspected because of the immediacy with which certain world-teachers tried to communicate this idea. Some of us hear Alarm Klaxons. You hear Bologna

And I haven't even started in on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas yet.



The moon feeds off of negative energy? OK?


C'mon, Dude. Are you saying that, OK you accept that and you are OK with it? I don't believe you.



What if I say that black holes are time portals then give reasons why I believe that. Does that change whether it is any more or less true?


You can but you are not a person like Steiner or Gurdjieff so why would people listen to you? If you need to discover why people listened to Gurdjieff or Steiner you will have to hit the web.
If Gurdjieff or Steiner or Sinnett had said it was black holes then that is what this thread would be about. But it's not. It's the Moon.

I have reiterate if I have not already said it; The Occult is not a Rorshach test. If the unseen realms and the symbolism that represent it were as such then what would be the point of the Tibetan sand paintings, for instance? Think about it. Even though it doesn't sound like you think about things like this very much. Which is totally OK.



Some things I think man is simply not able to know conclusively and discussing it as if it can be, is meaningless. Entertaining, yes. Proves anything? no.


Well, I know you don't really follow these types of things but paradigms change.

Perhaps this is the time when such things can be studied and apprehended by everyone. There is a giant information explosion taking place right now. Don't miss out on the fun.

No. It does not prove a thing as we are all still trying to put the pieces together.

That is as it should be.
This thread has turned into the richest source for this information anywhere. I guarantee it. You are not going to find it all in one place like this and there is no way I could have done it alone. So as we try to figure this out maybe we will get closer to the truth about what is going on above us. I don't know. This has grown larger than I could have presented it on my own so now I am just along for the ride, too.

Glad you are being entertained.

F210.






posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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I once saw a lecture featuring Michael Tsarion, and he explains how an alien force has created some kind of "forcefield" around the planet, that is supposed to contain us on an interdimensional level, or something to that effect. There was also an interview with a woman who supposedly translated the thoughts of one of the E.T.s that crashed in the Roswell incident, and how it explained that Earth was being used as some sort of "dimensional prison".

In terms of the video, ask the question of why thier cooperation requires a leader, I think they are really trying to emulate the real thing that occurs spontaneously and without any attempt to control:

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posted on May, 10 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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I'm currently watching one of his lectures, thanks to your reference.


Also, the video made me super, super happy. Teary-eyed, even. This is very potent stuff.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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In terms of the video, ask the question of why thier cooperation requires a leader, I think they are really trying to emulate the real thing that occurs spontaneously and without any attempt to control:


Yeah, SystemResistor, I could not have put it better myself. That is exactly the point of my OP. Thanks for summing it up.

Welcome.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Yep. I agree, MM. When this video circulated on YouTube I was one of the first people to view it. I think the person who posted was trying to make fun of the person dancing. I bet you can imagine that I wasn't laughing either.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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If only the moon was some sort of lovable Eastern European man-child.

What intrigues me is the rapid transformation: from closed, suspicious expressions all round; to milling masses coalescing behind the dancers; to everyone, dancers and viewers alike just beaming.


Evidently, there's a method: youtube search for "flashmob tutorial" yields hundreds of results. Still, it begs the question: if the first 20 folks initiating a flashmob require a certain amount of preparation and rehearsal in order to achieve synchronized movements, how do the other 1000 pick it up within two (or less) iterations? 100th monkey scenario in real time?



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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What intrigues me is the rapid transformation: from closed, suspicious expressions all round; to milling masses coalescing behind the dancers; to everyone, dancers and viewers alike just beaming.


Yeah, this is why I think that Flash Mobs are so extraordinarily powerful. In fact the basis for this activity may very well be our collective super-power. If that is so there is something beautiful about the fact that it cannot be accomplished by any one of us alone.

As far as how to light the fuse. I do not know as that would be the praxis of this great mystery and that will be the most difficult part for us to work out. My initiation alone will not allow for this knowledge so we will have to discover it together if it can be discovered. Which would be appropriate considering what I wrote above.

I think we need to get out of our own way somehow.

When I see these Flash Mobs My body starts to tingle and thrum all by itself and the tingling goes to my head in big sparks. Maybe if there are a bunch of us together and this starts happening Nature takes over.

And I just realized; I don't know if you all experience it this way but when I see the dancing start I am initially embarrassed and ashamed. I get a jolt of those feelings but as I ignore them because I know better some other part of me kicks in and starts to move.

This is all making this born dissenter very, very suspicious.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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When I see these Flash Mobs My body starts to tingle and thrum all by itself and the tingling goes to my head in big sparks.


Exactly the feeling I had when I watched those videos. When that community spark ignites and everyone jumps in, I got goosebumps,and electricity went up my spine, and I couldn't stop smiling. Strange. It makes me wonder who is more brave, the first person that just starts dancing, or the first person who jumps in and acknowledges the first person dancing? I think good arguments can be made for both.

Can anyone think of any other type of "flash mob" communal type activity besides dancing(joint singing together at concerts, cheering at sporting events)? It may help to prove the theory.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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I've been thinking about this myself, and have been casting about for other manifestations of this sort of phenomena with limited success. I'll keep searching, though!

I notice that many of the great minds here, and on other threads, have been applying micro-biological models to the idea of human unity. Mulling that angle over, I thought of mitochondria and how they perform as independent agents within an organisim.

Circling back round to the Aeon, it's the Many who are One vs. the one who is many.

Picture our billions of mitochondria acting in perfect concert resulting in the organism being able to function on the macro plane as opposed to one dude with a whole lot of masks.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Frater210
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Yep. It is Colin Wilson's Mind parasites. Or it may as well be. I am so happy that someone remembered this book. I had forgotten it.

Thing is though the book had a huge influence on me as a young person. That is probably why I am talking about all this stuff years later.

Yes, I do believe that the message of the 'Gnostics' is somehow so important that it cannot be silenced. Like, it may be a force unto itself in the Universe. Then the information surfaces in strange places; Philip Dick novels, The Matrix movies, the Dark City movie, Colin Wilson and all sorts of places. I will stick my neck out here and say that I do indeed believe that some variation on this theme is very close to the truth.

This is what I think that Gurdjieff and others were trying to get across.


But which brand of Gnosticism? The writings of Samael Aun Weor do not attract me at all. Even though there are tidbits of truth in his writings, I would not lead anyone there without caveats posted.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous
I believe Icke to be a highly dubious source of information. All the obvious reasons aside, he has on several occasions described experiences of channeling, playing host to outside entities, being "guided" and so forth. I tend to hear very loud alarm bells when I encounter that sort of thing.

Regardless, even shills drop legitimate crumbs of info once in a while:



David Icke is an easy target for ridicule. I remember reading Icke's "...and the truth shall set you free" more than ten years ago, and dismissing him. Yet there are seeds of truth scattered through his writings. This is what I mean by the Occult being a swampland: you have to carefully pick your way through.

I think human civilization is much older than 200,000 years.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by Frater210
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I too am a great shunner of Icke. I was completely taken by surprise when I queued up that vid and heard what he stated to say. I never thought to look to David Icke for any of this but I have to tell you (and I know you already may sense this) David Icke's line on this seems to be a 'hybrid bloodline' of a lot of the ideas I have been researching and trying to synthesize. It sounds like he has read a lot of the Ouspensky and Steiner and has hybridized it with the whole reptilian thing.
I have tried dating this material and it seems he went public with it in 2010 although it may actually derive from one of his really early books. I am not sure. But I am not surprised I missed it because I released all things Icke into the void well before 2010. It sure is fun to listen to though.
The stuff he refers to about the Female qualities of the Moon do have a basis in the same Arcanae that I have been digging in to. The symbolism has to do with Isis and I left it out of the thread for brevity's sake. Truth be told I rushed the composition. Given another month I could have gotten it together better. Problem is if I hadn't posted the thread I would not have gotten the great contributions from other members that led to further research. I suppose I could get it all together and post it as an addendum here.
Anyhow, so Icke. Hmmmm. I'm gonna watch the whole Moon matrix thing on YouTube and see what is what.


I don't know about Icke and his Reptilian bloodline of the ruling elite. I believe we were genetically engineered by ETs, but the ones who created us were not Reptilians (and they're not Grays either).

One of the things that Icke picked up on is the prevalence of "Reptilian" imagery throughout the world: i.e. Serpents and Dragons. I have "Flying Serpents and Dragons: The Story of Man's Reptilian Past" by R.A. Boulay.
And "The Return of the Serpents of Wisdom" by Mark Amaru Pinkham. These are not satifying books but they do bring together all of the many cultures around the world where winged serpent/dragons are considered sacred.

I was really struck by one shamanic story where winged dragons (on the Astral) claim to have created humankind.

I am of the mind, that the "Serpent" is symbolic of the Kundalini and not meant to be taken literally.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by Frater210
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I am so sorry I have so little time for this today so I will answer your question as bluntly as possible. Some on this thread will misunderstand this and I will probably get flamed so I am wearing my flame-retardent suit...

Yeah, you have to get control of that stuff.

You must resist pornography. Do the best you can. I will go ahead and say that the best you can do will be enough but it may not be.

The single biggest way that these Archonic forces will try isolate and destroy you is through your sexuality.

Remember what is stated in my original posts. The aim is to draw you into a fantasy world where you can be isolated and then used as food. Do I need to go on?

This is not a moral directive. MisterMonculus has cunningly described this type of occult study as 'The Civil Engineering' version. That is what we are aiming for. We need to know how the plumbing works, right? This is about reclaiming you gibblets, brothers and sisters.

It took me 8 years to get a handle on the pornography. Start now. You won't be disappointed.

Everything about pursuing your sexual paramour and all of the fantasy that that includes is totally fine. Pornography is not. Remember what has been said about isolation. This should make sense to you now.


Well, of course, porn is destructive to everyone involved in it, including the end "user." And of course, Qliphotic beings (or whatever you want to call them) batten on all that negative mental imagery, emotional & physical energy. But it's not just the stuff that comes up during isolated m*$turbation, you have to clean up your fantasy life even during "normal" sex with a partner.

Basically, sexual activity diverts energy that one is trying to channel up the Astral spine. The Weor "Gnostics" believe in using Maithuna, but the man is supposed to hold the seed within, so it's power can be re-absorbed by the body.

All I can say is: Good Luck.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by Frater210
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Heya, Tamahu. Would you mind doing the whole demiurge explanation for people. It is going to be really hard for folks to pick this apart if they do not know that the Gnostics were talking about two different entities. You know what I mean?

If folks just think it is Yahweh it is really easy to get confused.

I also am starting to think it may be time to get a little more deeply into the Archons. I will handle that part and go and find some entries from traditional sources concerning this .


Yes, I'd like to hear an explanation of what the Demiurge is. There are different interpretations of it. Some call it the "Workman" and identify it with unconscious/ subconscious creative forces. Some think it's the evil god (Yahweh) of the Old Testament. Other's flat out call the Demiurge Satan, Prince of this World.

I can understand why a person would believe that Satan rules this world. There is so much Hell right here on Earth.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous
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You done made me squirt water out my nose, sir!

But no, I hadn't seen that video (which is fecking rad); and yup, I'm definitely begining to understand the carnality of our existence being transformative if correctly understood.


One of the meanings of the word "Tantra" (unfortunately, most Westerners have narrowed this down to just the sexual rituals -- there's much more to Tantra than that) is "weave" -- as well as "ritual."

In other words, God is believed to be immanent in Its creation and one can find & worship God in the very fabric of mundane life.

So every action in everyday life can be used to stay conscious of God: eating, defecating, doing your work, playing, having sex, etc.

Yes, the "carnality of our existence can be transformative if correctly understood."



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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The Albigensian Crusade -- I had read somewhere that in the end, an estimated 125,000 people died.

All this about Cathars reminded me of something I read years ago from Sybil Leek, who claimed to be an English witch (New Forest, England). Leek said she had been initiated on the Continent (France) by a "coven" descended from survivors of the Cathars. I have no idea if this is true, but it makes for an interesting story.

Most people today dismiss Wicca as the mid-20th century invention of a potty Englishman named Gerald Gardner. I'm of the mind that there is more to this, than just Gardner. I believe that bits & pieces of a pre-Christian paganism survived in England (and elsewhere in Europe). Gardner just added his kinky touches to it and popularized it.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by SystemResistor
I once saw a lecture featuring Michael Tsarion, and he explains how an alien force has created some kind of "forcefield" around the planet, that is supposed to contain us on an interdimensional level, or something to that effect. There was also an interview with a woman who supposedly translated the thoughts of one of the E.T.s that crashed in the Roswell incident, and how it explained that Earth was being used as some sort of "dimensional prison".

In terms of the video, ask the question of why thier cooperation requires a leader, I think they are really trying to emulate the real thing that occurs spontaneously and without any attempt to control:



Now that video you posted shows a genuine flash mob.

Michael Tsarion sounds like he's borrowing from David Icke. Icke teaches that "how an alien force has created some kind of "forcefield" around the planet, that is supposed to contain us on an interdimensional level, or something to that effect."

Also this forcefield (erected by the evil Reptilians) is supposed to block most of humankind from receiving messages & guidance from higher spiritual entities.

What do I know?
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous

If only the moon was some sort of lovable Eastern European man-child.


I think his accent is some type of rural English/Scottish accent. Bizarre. Cute though.


What intrigues me is the rapid transformation: from closed, suspicious expressions all round; to milling masses coalescing behind the dancers; to everyone, dancers and viewers alike just beaming.


Evidently, there's a method: youtube search for "flashmob tutorial" yields hundreds of results. Still, it begs the question: if the first 20 folks initiating a flashmob require a certain amount of preparation and rehearsal in order to achieve synchronized movements, how do the other 1000 pick it up within two (or less) iterations? 100th monkey scenario in real time?


This flash mob looks manufactured to me. It was done for a commercial -- Indonesian soft drink ad.(?)






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