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Oprah Winfrey, The Eighth Sphere and the Secret War for Your Soul

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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 09:45 AM
reply to post by Frater210

Makes me wonder where the moon was in relation to the Norway spiral, and where that "tail" actually went.

Also, isn't it a tenent of scientology that Xenu was some type of "soul cathing"alien. I really hope people are not trying to suggest the L. Ron Hubbard was on to something.

posted on May, 6 2011 @ 11:43 AM
reply to post by yoyoma15

Mmmm. Yeah. But looney as he was he may have been on to something. The only reason that I say this is because as I understand it Artists of all kinds but especially poets have antennae that are especially sensitive to everything around them and it gets expressed in their art in all sorts of ways. Not being an artist myself I have to take that on the advice of my betters but it makes sense to me.

Gotta remember the kinds of freaks I mean folks that L.Ron used to hang out with. He may have heard it somewhere and was intrigued by it and wanted to work it into his own yarn. Which in a funny way might still lend credence to the antennae theory.

Fact is I haven't got a clue beyond having a 25 year 'gut feeling' about all of this that has developed into what made it on to my OP. All that flash-mob stuff is mine; frankly I was surprised to find corroboration when I went back to better define Gurdjieff's meaning on all of this.

Please keep it coming folks this just gets better and better.

posted on May, 6 2011 @ 11:54 AM
¡Ay, ay, ay! I was typing up a post of which explained how I spend way too much time on the internet (yet also how I didn't want to pass up the adding on of more information to this thread), and then my Safari crashed which caused me to lose nearly an hour of typing.

So I apologize for not retyping my post in its entirety.

Anyhow, here are the links that were included in the said lost-post, and some keywords as well.


Eighth Sphere, Hod, Da'ath, Binah, Uranus inverted or Chokmah inverted, and Klipoth.


Clarion, Persephone, Vulcan, Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Earth, Pluto, and the "Yellow Planet" (Hercolubus is not listed here because It is part of a different Solar system).


Adenosine Triphosphate

ATP Synthase and Oxidative Phosphorylation

Hydrogens (as explained by Samael Aun Weor and Gurdjieff)

Dry Mercury

Dried Mercury

Arse nic Sulphur

Hod: Ceremonial or Ritual Magic

Loo se Cathexis and Bound Cathexis

Tarot: Arcanum 15 – Samech/Passion and Phosphorous

Manly P. Hall 33° on the Gnostic Egyptian Cosmic Drama

Where Does Scientology Stand With the Gnostic Movement?

Perhaps I'll be back here to elaborate on the above information, and actually participate more in this discussion.

edit on 7-5-2011 by Tamahu because: correction

posted on May, 6 2011 @ 11:54 AM
It depresses me to think I might I have failed my life lesson, and will get sucked back up into the moon and have to repeat this all over again. I need to get some enlightenment and quick.

posted on May, 6 2011 @ 12:51 PM
reply to post by Omicron2011

It depresses me to think I might I have failed my life lesson, and will get sucked back up into the moon and have to repeat this all over again. I need to get some enlightenment and quick.

Nah. As long as you are still drawing breath you have failed nothing. In fact I think that just to be able to say what you said there above rules you out as having failed any life lessons. Sometimes paradox cuts the good way.

posted on May, 6 2011 @ 12:53 PM
reply to post by Tamahu

Hey, Tamahu. I for one vote to hear what you have to say about it. That list of links alone is about to make me cry. What's your take on it. Please.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 03:08 PM

So, in response to Tamahu's cliff hanging post, I jumped into Kabbalah and Gnostics over the weekend, and ended up learning half of the Hebrew alphabet along the way. Regardless, from what i now understand, it is the Gnostic belief (regardless of which religion you choose to follow, alchemy, hindu, buddism, etc) in order to build your inner energy you must refrain from having orgasms. Only then can the path back to heaven be walked.............So is everyone on this thread following this chaste path?

Well this has left me with quite the mind screw. While I guess I can see some of the reasoning for this, and when diving into the actual letters of the Torah, it seems compelling, if not crazy interesting.

However, this line of thinking contradicts the existentialist philosophy I have utilized the majority of my life, and I must disagree with the basic premises the Gnostics use to proove their theory. IE, humans are disgusting polluted byproducts of gods light; all of our instincts are evil and against gods will; the earth is a living hell and all of the pain is a byproduct of sex. So basically, Gnostics are masochistic, "whipping themselves" for impure thoughts?

So if I were to take the Gnostic belief as true, then I would also have to acknowledge that I am being punished here in a living hell, likely to be taken to the Eighth Sphere where my soul will be crushed up and reused for as astral soil, due to poor decision my ancestors made in some other demension?(Or did I make the decision) But most importantly, if we were at one point adrogynous and perfect in the higher demensions, then why would God seperate us from ourselves and create the sexes, which apparently was the root of the whole problem? If our goal is to "return to god' atop the Tree of Life, wouldn't the goal be androgyny again? Wouldn't that contradict Gods will if he is the one that seperated us from ourselves in the first place.

I know this probably isn't the forum for this, but I just needed to get it out there. It has been a long weekend.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 03:14 PM
Oh yeah, and why are all of the gnostic arcanes only being shared now? The guy on seems to believe that the world is now beyond repair and they are giving these secrets out now, so maybe a few of us can save ourselves.(If true) Thanks a lot gnostics gurus, maybe if you didn't hold the purse strings to the sacred knowlege so tight, we wouldn't be in the mess.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 03:39 PM
Frater210, Yoyoma15; I'm still here (lurking every now and then mostly), and a reply should be soon forthcoming. Hopefully within the next day or two....


edit on 9-5-2011 by Tamahu because: edited text

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:00 PM
i feel like this thread deserves its own blog or website or something.

could i please get a full list of these books everyone is mentioning? and any important related material to look in to please? i'm quite struck by this subject and would really love to wade into the depths of it.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:16 PM
reply to post by shagreen heart

Dante Alighieri, H.P. Blavatsky, Dion Fortune, Gurdjieff, Manly P. Hall, Eliphas Levi, John Milton, Master M:. (Moria, Morya), A.P. Sinnett, Rudolf Steiner, and Samael Aun Weor.

edit on 9-5-2011 by Tamahu because:
almost forgot Eliphas Levi

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 04:30 PM
reply to post by Tamahu

any specific works that deal closely with this thread subject? i know many of the authors as occultist researchers and practitioners, and i think i have quite a grip on the general philosophy and mindset of the scope of those subjects but i'm looking more into the heart of darkness that is this specific subject. i mean what would you REALLY recommend i sink my mind's claws in to for someone that is genuinely interested in this? sorry to sound so demanding but i look up to most of the posters in this thread and i want some specifics because i want books in my hand like right now, haha.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:03 PM
reply to post by shagreen heart

I am so sorry. Nothing seems to have been specifically written about this. The information is scattered everywhere. I have tried to synthesize and condense as much as possible here. If you go through the posts you should find the direction you are looking for. Otherwise U2U me.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:14 PM
reply to post by yoyoma15

I am so sorry I have so little time for this today so I will answer your question as bluntly as possible. Some on this thread will misunderstand this and I will probably get flamed so I am wearing my flame-retardent suit...

Yeah, you have to get control of that stuff.

You must resist pornography. Do the best you can. I will go ahead and say that the best you can do will be enough but it may not be.

The single biggest way that these Archonic forces will try isolate and destroy you is through your sexuality.

Remember what is stated in my original posts. The aim is to draw you into a fantasy world where you can be isolated and then used as food. Do I need to go on?

This is not a moral directive. MisterMonculus has cunningly described this type of occult study as 'The Civil Engineering' version. That is what we are aiming for. We need to know how the plumbing works, right? This is about reclaiming you gibblets, brothers and sisters.

It took me 8 years to get a handle on the pornography. Start now. You won't be disappointed.

Everything about pursuing your sexual paramour and all of the fantasy that that includes is totally fine. Pornography is not. Remember what has been said about isolation. This should make sense to you now.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:33 PM
reply to post by Tamahu

Heya, Tamahu. Would you mind doing the whole demiurge explanation for people. It is going to be really hard for folks to pick this apart if they do not know that the Gnostics were talking about two different entities. You know what I mean?

If folks just think it is Yahweh it is really easy to get confused.

I also am starting to think it may be time to get a little more deeply into the Archons. I will handle that part and go and find some entries from traditional sources concerning this .

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posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:43 PM
reply to post by Frater210

I would add that insofar as I can tell (and forgive me for getting a bit graphic for a moment, not intending to be prurient here), but orgasm is O.K., ejaculation is not. Evidently, if you build your kegels up, you can squinch the vas deferens so that the contents of your prostate are contained instead of, well, emptied.

I have recently read accounts of Buddhist monks who, after a lifetime of this practice, leave behind small, shiny bezoars after they are cremated. Odd.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:50 PM

Originally posted by yoyoma15
Oh yeah, and why are all of the gnostic arcanes only being shared now? The guy on seems to believe that the world is now beyond repair and they are giving these secrets out now, so maybe a few of us can save ourselves.(If true) Thanks a lot gnostics gurus, maybe if you didn't hold the purse strings to the sacred knowlege so tight, we wouldn't be in the mess.

Well, it may have to do with the fact that whenever these teachings have surfaced, the practitioners have been summarily squashed. The Essenes? squashed. The Albigensians? Turns out the Catholic Church wasn't too keen on folks trying to circumvent that whole "be fruitful and multiply" injunction. Tantric Buddhism? Well, if you look into how the Chinese behaved when they occupied Tibet, it makes you wonder.

They are giving up the gnoledge now perhaps, because information is free, vast, and unstoppable at this point in time. Likewise disinfo, so use your heart for a compass.
edit on 9-5-2011 by mistermonculous because: Doh!

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:55 PM
reply to post by mistermonculous

shiny bezoars

Un ultra mas bad-ass post, MM. Did not know that anyone else around here knew about those but me (arrogant, huh?). Have you seen the 'Cobra Pearl' on YouTube?

I think it is probably fake but I just like to look at it and dream (not too long though; just enough to give the Archons an appetizer)

It is OK. This is the part that might actually start to either gross people out or wake them up to new ways of thinking.
The Occult is ultra-carnal. You think it is gonna go to some rareified place of sacred geometry and (god forbid) kabbalah and it just goes down your pants and up your butt and down your gullet. Oh what fun. But as I understand it that is due to the limitations put on spiritual advancement during the present paradigm.

The way I get it for men is that your woman is gonna get that seed no matter what but it is fun trying to hold on to it. At the next level the couple are doing it together and then it becomes safer to do things like retain your seed.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 05:59 PM
reply to post by Frater210

You done made me squirt water out my nose, sir!

But no, I hadn't seen that video (which is fecking rad); and yup, I'm definitely begining to understand the carnality of our existence being transformative if correctly understood.

posted on May, 9 2011 @ 06:08 PM
reply to post by mistermonculous

Yup. Here we go. I had hoped it would...

From bloody-old Wikipedia...

The Cathari did not believe in one all-encompassing god, but in two, both equal and comparable in status. They held that the physical world was evil and created by Rex Mundi (Latin, "King of the World"), who encompassed all that was corporeal, chaotic and powerful; the second god, the one whom they worshipped, was entirely disincarnate: a being or principle of pure spirit and completely unsullied by the taint of matter.
He was the god of love, order and peace. The Catholic Church, alarmed by the spread of Cathar teachings, perceived the movement as a well-organised opponent on a scale that had not been seen since the days of Arianism and Marcionism.

In August 1209 the crusaders captured the small village of Servian and headed for Béziers, arriving on July 21. They invested the city, called the Catholics within to come out, and demanded that the Cathars surrender. Both groups refused. The city fell the following day when an abortive sortie was pursued back through the open gates.The entire population was slaughtered and the city burned to the ground. Contemporary sources give estimates of the number of dead ranging between fifteen and sixty thousand. The latter figure appears in the Papal Legate Arnaud-Amaury's report to the Pope. The news of the disaster quickly spread and afterwards many settlements surrendered without a fight.

According to the Cistercian writer Caesar of Heisterbach, one of the leaders of the Crusader army, the Papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, when asked by a Crusader how to distinguish the Cathars from the Catholics, answered: "Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius" – "Kill them [all]! Surely the Lord discerns which [ones] are his". On the other hand, the legate's own statement, in a letter to the Pope in August 1209 (col.139), states:

while discussions were still going on with the barons about the release of those in the city who were deemed to be Catholics, the servants and other persons of low degree and unarmed attacked the city without waiting for orders from their leaders. To our amazement, crying "to arms, to arms!", within the space of two or three hours they crossed the ditches and the walls and Béziers was taken. Our men spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or age, and put to the sword almost 20,000 people. After this great slaughter the whole city was despoiled and burnt, as Divine vengeance miraculously...

What that last part from Arnaud-Amaury is saying is, "They were comin' right for us!". This still gets me angry when I read it.

So now you can see what the origins are of the saying, "Kill them all, let God sort them out".

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