The JFK Assassination, An Analysis: Did William Greer Shoot Kennedy?
: Some of the Images used below in this thread are of the actual Assassination of John F. Kennedy. Particularly
the Fatal head wound which struck him at exactly Frame 313 of the Zapruder film. I need to show them to bring forth my theory, so please bear that in
mind when reading further as you WILL
come across certain unsavory images. Anyway, I just wanted to put this small disclaimer so nobody is
caught off guard here, If you don't wish to see these images, this may not be the thread for you. Thanks. ***
Hello once again ATS. Originally, I had decided to do yet another JFK Assassination thread as It's become one of my favorite topics here. One I
research and find fascination in perhaps more so than any other. Now originally, I had started writing up a long thread looking at some of the
evidence for and against certain theories, all the while trying to show my own theories too and why I believe what I currently believe and so on.
But, I realized that with some other threads I've made in the past, I'd be adding quite a lot of information on a lot of different things - thus
causing a lot of what I feel is important information to be forgotten and not discussed. Maybe even missed completely. Therefore, what I'm deciding to
do is split all of them up, and look at each different theory or point of discussion in a completely new thread thus not missing out on anything.
This thread being a discussion into the ("out there") theory of the driver, William Greer, somehow being able to have shot Kennedy. A theory many seem
to subscribe to still. This thread being placed in a long line of other "suspects" in the shooting that I'd also like to take a detailed look at,
hopefully spurring up some interesting debate on also.
Admittedly though, I'm not a fan of this particular theory in the slightest. I actually think It's one of the more ridiculous ideas that has come
about from the whole case, therefore what I have below is the theory which I, myself, subscribe to which hopefully debunks the theory which states
that the driver could have possibly shot Kennedy.
Well, that's the plan anyway.
But, with these series of threads I'm looking to start, I hope to gain a better grip on the case personally, as well as stir up the attention from
others into this great case, and of course, cause some great discussion on each thread from some of the other members here on the theories which I
subscribe to, which I will be showing through out this thread and the others planned in the future.
So please see below a small list of the threads, and series of threads, I hope to start over a long period of time:
The JFK Series:
: Who Could Have Killed JFK? - Who are the suspects?
Did William Greer Shoot Kennedy?
Did Jackie Kennedy Shoot Kennedy?
Did Lee Harvey Oswald Shoot Kennedy?
Did Johnnie Roselli Shoot Kennedy?
Did James E. Files Shoot Kennedy?
Did Jim Braden Shoot Kennedy?
(If by any chance, anyone would like a discussion into anything not currently mentioned, please feel free to U2U me and I'll make sure to add it for a
future thread in one of these series.)
As of late I've mostly been looking into the great work of the researcher Bob Harris also. In fact, more so than any other researcher of this case as
his theories explain a great deal about this case which actually makes a lot of sense as well as being able to explain away a lot of misunderstandings
and discrepancies at the same time. His theories are also primarily what a great deal of this thread, as well as my future ones are based around.
Anyway, I hope you enjoy reading this thread and I hope we can spur on a great debate on the topic of how the president was really killed...
Especially by those whom believe the driver, William Greer, is responsible. Thanks, please continue reading:
Who Could Have Killed JFK? - Who are the suspects?
Did the Driver (William Greer) Shoot JFK?
Image of the Driver, William Greer
Now, personally, I wasn't even going to include this first segment into my original "analysis of the case" thread at all. I feel It's a rather
baseless theory to be honest - the idea that the driver somehow turned around, shot the president, and guess what? None of the hundreds of witnesses
noticed.. Despite ALL
eyes being on the president and his motorcade at this moment in time.
more than seems to show a shot came from anywhere other than from inside the car itself.
But, this being so, there has been quite a few popular threads on the topic around ATS, not many recent though, but many from the past still. And It's
this reason why I'd like to try and show why I have the opinion I currently have - The theory that the driver shooting Kennedy during his time in the
motorcade at Dealey Plaza is but an impossibility. William Greer, the driver, is wholly Innocent IMO.
Now, I have been wondering how to go about this exactly, and I think one of the best ways to once and for all prove Greer couldn't have been the
shooter is to revert back to the zapruder film. One of the best films we have of the events here, not forgetting It's seemingly the one and only piece
of "evidence" supporters of this theory use to.. well, back up there theory on why the driver HAD in fact shot Kennedy..
So, let's take a look at frame 312 from the actual zapruder film itself first off. This being the single frame before the fatal head shot, It seems
like the best bet doesn't it?
Well, before I do this, let me state that what Pro supporters of this theory seem to use as evidence for there claims is that Greer can "allegedly" be
seen to be holding a gun and pointing it at the president at the moment of impact. Well, this is false. And something which can be seen to be false
when looking at clearer images of the Zapruder film.
For those interested at this moment in time though, and to add some skeptical balance, here's an "interesting" video from believers of the driver
shooting Kennedy theory. You'll notice that what's used in this video isn't the clearer video of the film. Something I doubt is a coincidence:
Well, an interesting video for sure. And an interesting image of an apparent gun. No doubt, right? Well, I, again, find it interesting they use an
unclear set of images as evidence. To make up for this, here is a cleaner set:
Here is the cleaned up version of the exact same image from the zapruder film - Even the exact same frame used as evidence in favor of this theory,
Frame 312 (Focus on the drivers hands):
Still quite hard to see, I know. But It's clear enough to point out that no gun is present here. Instead, both of Greer's hands are clearly on the
lower half of the steering wheel, and we can even see his shoulder as he has turned around at this point also.
Here is yet another closer look:
Arrow is pointing to His Left hand. The Blue
Arrow is pointing to his Right hand. At this
point, please again note this was one single frame before the fatal shot struck Kennedy:
(Again, notice Greer is looking at Kennedy (Or Connelly), his hands are on the steering wheel, his shoulder can be seen turned around and no
is present in his hands - In fact, both his hands are brightly seen and are not even pointing towards Kennedy. Also, wouldn't Connelly and his
wife notice a bullet passing millimeters by them? I'm guessing they would have.)
Another theory that I've seen proposed seems to point to some seeing a flash of light in the car here, something that swiftly disappears giving the
impression of a gun. Well, for this particular theory, let's take a few more closer looks still to further prove why some think they are seeing a gun
in the first place here, when in fact they are actually seeing Roy Kellermans head. How do we plan on doing this? Well, Let's take a look at around 20
Frames starting from Frame 300 of the Zapruder film. Remember at this point, Frame 313 is the fatal head shot so looking at frames before hand, during
and after seem sensible.
Here are the images from the Zapruder film:
Btw, please pay particular attention to Kellermans movement also. Notice that when he moves forward, the glare on his head is gone (please see Frame
300 below and why this glare is present), but when he moves back, particularly when the fatal shot strikes Kennedy, he is situated backwards allowing
the bright glare to shine on his head giving the impression "something" is here (as the film moved quite fast It's not easily visible) and then he
suddenly moves forward after the shot had taken place giving the impression something had been swiftly hidden.
And also please take note of the fact that Greer has turned around already for most of these frames, while BOTH
his hands are clearly visible
on the steering wheel the whole time.
Now, when looking at the below image of Frame 300, please take note of the red arrow and what it's pointing to as well. It's the sun visor - It's
this which has given this theory a lot of supporters as It's this sun visor which gives the impression we are seeing something we are not here as It
blocks out the light from the sun when Kellerman moves forwards and shows it when he moves backwards again.
*Please also remember that I had to watch the zapruder film very carefully and crop these images individually from it so they may be slightly
different sizes, or cropped in slightly different areas to make them viewable for this thread*
***Greer is starting to look at The Kennedy's***
***Kelleman starts to move his head backwards at this point causing the glare to appear - Something we can see clearly***
***The Fatal Headshot - Still No gun and we can see Greers hands***
***Kellerman Starts to duck***
***The Car starts to rapidly speed up causing the blur - Notice we can still vaguely see the glare from Kellerman still, not a gun***
See, No gun was in his left hand here, and no gun was present in the air also. I'm using the same video the pro supporters of this theory use and It
seems to debunk there own claims.
No gun was present by William Greer at Dealey Plaza, and even if there was, I ask, why on earth didn't he (Greer) try and escape after he had shot
Kennedy? Why did he take him to the hospital and hang around? Don't forget at this point in time, assuming Greer had done it, he would've had no idea
whether he got away with it. Or whether any of the hundreds of witnesses all around him had seen him do it.
Btw, not one of them report such a thing.
But nope, he actually decided to stick around. And IMO he wasn't arrested because there was simply no reason to do so.
Anyway, here's a fantastic video from one of my all time favorite researchers from the JFK Assassination case, Bob Harris.
*A lot of still images from the above video were used in this thred of William Greer also, so credit goes to Bob Harris for them.*
Personally, I consider the theory that states the driver, William Greer, shot the president as pretty much debunked when taking into consideration
everything I have added thus far. This being so, I really do hope those whom believe in this theory decide to come into this thread and give there
A debate on this theory would be fascinating, no doubt.
Thanks to all whom read this thread as well btw. I'd really love to hear some thoughts, and hopefully stir up an interesting debate with anyone whom
has opinions on the case of who actually fired bullets from there guns at dealey Plaza in 1963.
My Next thread will take a look at the theory which states Jackie Kennedy had shot President John F. Kennedy. A theory many, myself Not
included, subscribe to.
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