Hitler's FBI files,saying he is not dead and was hiding in argentina.

reply to post by mysterioustranger

Hi Mysterious Stranger,


It isn't because there are lies that we must systematically disbelieve even the truth. The best lies are often peppered with 90% truth, that makes them more plausible and it also makes it harder for folks to reject them as lies because they'd be at the same time rejecting the 90% truth as potential lies, since they were bundled together. These guys aren't beginners at deception.


Regarding what anyone should believe about the FBI - which I nicknamed tongue in cheek "FIB" so you know what I think - that's your call. Suffice to know that the FBI did keep extensive records on all known former Nazis who had been in the USA as per Edgar John Hoover's obsession with recording absolutely everything under the sun, as you never know when it might come in handy for blackmail or other purposes. These records were kept at FBI headquarters in Oklahoma City and we know that the Bush gang and their accomplices had a field day destroying that along with the lives of many innocent victims when they bombed that and its neighboring child care facility. So we can't expect to see many records of that, even if Nazi General Canaris was known to have retired to a cozy life as a University professor in a vine covered American campus.


Regarding these nefarious Nazis, enemy infiltrators during wartime and later active saboteurs at the epicenter of the US Intelligence apparatus and at the highest executive office, here we can see at the Piano in a photograph the alleged real grandmother of our 41st President, Mrs Scherff of Nazi Germany, clearly proud that her son and grandson are both Nazi spies. Their Spy Master and "handler" was Reinhart Gehlen seen at the very front of this picture (also in the Operation Paperclip photo) who went on to co-found the CIA and the German BND. It is no wonder that he groomed his own agent George H.W. Bush to head the CIA later.

"According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his [left and our] right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. [George H.W. Bush] and his father George H. Scherff, Sr [Prescott Bush Sr]. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”"

Otto Skorzeny's Family Photo Album

In front of Prescott Sr we notice Dorothy Walker Bush who apparently is well aware of the Nazi role of her husband and son. What was her original name back in Nazi Germany and when was she ex-filtrated to the USA? It is anyone's guess.


Also, Mysterious Stranger, the Idaho Observer which reported on Skorzeny's testimony also addresses quite eloquently your concerns about the inveterate dishonesty of the FBI and other government agencies, as can be noted here:


"What we are taught about history in American schools is not history, but a fairy tale. Better yet, it is propaganda designed to hoodwink an unsuspecting society about its true heritage and the treasonous acts and sabotage that were conceived in order to bring about a New World Order. You are about to learn the real identities of those who have infiltrated your nation on behalf of secret societies intent on bringing about the total slavery of mankind. In the past, others have written about the numerous conspiracies to control natural resources, energy, food and our sovereign right to live on planet Earth — not as slaves of a wealthy few — but as free men, women, and children exercising the free will given to them by God."


Because being lied to isn't so much of an issue if it is nothing but a well-intended "white lie". What is of far greater concern isn't so much that we are being lied to as is the nature of what is being concealed by these lies. It is the NAZI AGENDA that is hidden from our knowledge - that our very Presidents may be Nazis, that many eminent members of Corporate governance may be Nazis, that our CIA is a Nazi subsidiary, that large expanses of the United States government administrations are colonized by Nazis, and that much of the New World Order Agenda furthered by a NAZI Freemasonry (YES, they don't know it at the bottom of the heap where 99% of Masons slap each others' backs) and Nazi Secret Societies such as Yale's Skull & Bones and numerous others, many of which meet in Tomb-shaped buildings in Nazi Death Cult tradition, of which a few can be glimpsed at here:


Conspiracies on Campus: Click on boxes to left


To get a clearer picture of what is intended for the USA it is a parking of surviving people into stockade lodgings in urban centers built along railway lines. Yes, this is quite in a linear continuum with the Nazi rail-cars filled with displaced populations awaiting reassignment to new quarters, which most of the time meant the death camps.


The Nazi United Nations Map of Agenda 21: All Red and Yellow is OFF LIMITS



This goes together with what some people refer to as "Global Ecological Communism", a newfangled New Age ready reformulation of "Leninist International Communism", which presses forward the promotion of a sustainable ecosystem with the mandatory requirement of placing Ecology above any humane or humanitarian concerns, humans being seen as "the enemy" by the high priests of militant Fundamentalist Ecology. Sure we all want a cleaner world and sufficient balanced resources. But most of us fall short of their demands for a subsequent mandatory rapid reduction of the human population in drastic proportions. Beyond forced sterilization using vaccines and genetically modified foods, beyond the usual wars for the culling of excess populations, they seem to be preparing a police state which will lead to massive triage of people based upon sociological and eugenics characteristics, those worthy of going on living and those slated for extinction. This appears to follow the tactics of Leninist operatives, as was analyzed by British Journalist Christopher Story who was murdered on orders by George Herbert Walker Bush in July of 2010:




We must take a long hard look at both the feigned Nazi surrender and faked deaths of its key protagonists, at the deals struck by Von Ribbentrop with Molotov under Stalin, pointing to certain areas of agreement of which we cannot know the full content, and the similarities in the quest for a World Totalitarian Rule both by the Soviets as well as by the Nazis. That the Nazis are running the show in the West today, as well as in much of the rest of the world, goes without saying, with their agents for a Nazi continuum forging ahead in the growing regional control by the European Collective known as the European Union, designed and drafted in Madrid by the Nazis in the 40's and 50's and today dominated by a Germany secretly complicit at the highest levels, and by the Nazi move towards global integration of their absolute power under the New World Order spearheaded by Nazi controlled American military and diplomatic interventionism.


The above was, after all, the Nazi plan, which was carried out openly under Hitler's regime during the late thirties and early forties. Killing off anyone with birth defects, handicaps, genetic diseases or mental delicacy (to quote ATS member mistermonculous) to finish with further cleansing society by killing off all forms of ideological or political dissidence. The modern 21st century implementation of this same plan in the United States, according to a virtually identical Modus Operandi, is what has been referred to often as FEMA's round-up lists whereby people are given color codes with RED signifying that the targets as well as their families are to be removed and immediately "terminated".




Next, I shall admittedly speculate, widely but not so wildly, about what might be the Plan behind the Plan when it comes to the New World Order that is currently being brought into existence thanks to the concentration of economic and financial power through Globalization and the Political Unification of the world first region by region to then become merged under a single World Big Brother Government.


Given the Nazi zest for Genetics and Eugenics, and the vast fortunes in Nazi Gold (never lost or sunken into a lake as its permanent disappearance was it was explained away) taken from exterminated Jews as well as from the central banks of invaded countries, Hitler's secretary Martin Bormann invested this in a wide array of Multinational Corporations.

"Anticipating the defeat of the Third Reich, Reichsleiter Martin Bormann set up 750 corporations in neutral countries, primed as vehicles to receive the liquid wealth of Germany in addition to patents and other proprietary industrial information. An organizational genius and the real power behind Hitler, Bormann, known as the "Brown Eminence", successfully fled Europe for South America and administered a "Reich in Exile" in the years following the war. With remnants of the SS as an enforcement arm, former Gestapo chief General Heinrich Mueller as security director, the 750 corporations as a base of economic power and the willing silence and cooperation of the Western Allies, Bormann guided his organization to a position of consummate power. One banker quoted by Manning termed the Bormann Organization, the "world's most important accumulation of money power under one control in history". Controlling Germany's major corporations, the Federal Republic itself and much of Latin America, the Bormann Organization also maintained a formidable circle of influence in the United States. Paul Manning has written the definitive text on the Bormann Organization."

Martin Bormann - NAZI in Exile

Thus, we can wager that many of today's Bio-genetics firms - including a fair number of Above Top Secret Black Projects run by CIA Nazis and their 18 known agency offshoots or their shell companies - have probably been deeply involved in human genetic experiments, some of which might dwarf the fledgling efforts of Josef Mengele experimenting on Identical Twins in concentration camps. More than half a century of these experiments within secret laboratories and even tested among an unsuspecting population, may have produced not only what they were openly striving for, a better race of Genetically Improved Supermen, but also possibly a sub-race of cloned designer slaves with engineered mental impairments to serve them as low level technicians and compliant servile domestics.


It therefore stands to reason that the ruling Nazi Elite will have no further purpose for any of us - no matter who or what we might be -unless we happen to be among the select few whom those at the very top of the Nazi edifice are affectionately attached to, such as their favorite musicians, artists or authors. All others, regardless of merits or qualities would be, according to orthodox Nazi logic, slated to be expunged in due time, with the scheduling of their death programmed methodically in advance, just as was the date of the death of all inmates held in the former Nazi concentration camps, encoded ahead of time in the IBM numbering system tattooed onto their forearms.


Wikipedia: IBM and the Holocaust


Yes, the technology was out there 70 years ago and not only did it exist within the realm of possibility, it was implemented and put to effective use in the Nazi death camps. Today we are similarly accounted for and it is only logical, given the broad Nazi presence among many institutions and corporations, that we have attached to our identities various parameters such as whether we should be killed or not, and if so, when and at what stage of their ongoing plans. This happens to coincide with FEMA's color coding.


More about their plans can be gleaned from threads in the 'New World Order' and 'General Conspiracies' sections of ATS.


Getsmart

Originally posted by St Udio

years ago... lets say the early to mid '50s... there were rumors that Adolph was hiding in the Patagonia region of Argentina... heres a link that tells of versions of this rumor

search.yahoo.com...

alas, the Korean war was a distraction, so public interest dwindled, hitler in exile took a back seat as we the USA people said let the Israeli intelligence handle the rumor, the post war Israelis' caught a number of Nazis in hiding over the years..

Hi St Udio,


Thanks for that link, which was in Spanish but which I translated using Google translator. Sorry given I don't speak Spanish, if others here wish to improve on it you're more than welcome.

""The exile of Hitler", the controversial book by journalist and historian Argentine Abel Basti, one of the foremost experts on Nazi fugitives, which arrives this month in June to Spanish bookstores after having been published two months ago [April 2010] in Argentina for South America - Mondadori argues that the Fuhrer did not commit suicide in the Berlin bunker as is defended in the official story, but managed to escape to Patagonia after being loaded onto a German submarine in Vigo. The biggest revelation of this book is a German secret document in which Hitler appears as one of the passengers evacuated by plane from Austria to Barcelona on April 26, 1945.

SANTIAGO ROMERO - VIGO - What is your view of the flight of Hitler?

Hitler escaped by air to Austria and then to Barcelona. The last stage was in a submarine, from Vigo, heading straight to the coast of Patagonia. Finally, Hitler and Eva Braun, in a car with chauffeur and bodyguard, a caravan of at least three cars, moved to Bariloche. They took refuge in the Estancia San Ramon, about 15 miles east of that town. It is an estate of 100,000 hectares with a coastline on Lake Nahuel Huapi, which was in German hands since the early twentieth century, when it belonged to a German principality of Schamburg-Lippe.

- On what basis to claim that Hitler was Spain after fleeing Berlin bunker?

"The presence of Hitler in Spain was confirmed today by an elderly Jesuit priest, whose family was friends with the Nazi leader. And I have evidence that refer to meetings he had with his entourage at the Inn Las Quebrantas in Cantabria. In addition, a document of the British secret services reveals that in those days a Nazi submarine convoy left Spain and, after a stopover in the Canary Islands, continued its journey towards the south of Argentina. In one of these submarines Hitler and Eva Braun were traveling, they landed in Patagonia between July and August 1945, under the de facto President Edelmiro Farrell and Juan Domingo Perón, then his Minister of War. There is also a significant document of the FBI, which ordered to search for Hitler in Spain after the end of World War II.

- Where did he sail from to Patagonia?

"All the evidence points to the Galician coast, which was actually a supply base for Nazi submarines during the Battle of the Atlantic, to the extent that Churchill considered the possibility of invading action should be dismissed when they got done with the 'Enigma' machine to decipher messages from the Nazis and the current fleet of submarine warfare was reversed. There is the possibility that they sailed from Vigo Ferrol, but they almost certainly did from Vigo, according to the British MI6.

- How did he live in Argentina?

"Hitler lived with his wife and his bodyguard in a fugitive situation. The first years were in Patagonia and then they lived in the more northern provinces. During the early years he held meetings in different parts of Argentina and even in Paraguay with Nazis and others related to international affairs. He had his classic mustache shaved, so he was not easily recognizable. He lived away from large urban centers, but had meetings in Buenos Aires. He died in the sixties in his last hours Argentina. Ahora investigated the fate of his remains.

- Did you have access to documents of the former Soviet Union?

"Stalin held until his death in 1953 that Hitler had escaped. Stalin told them this same information to the Allies in 1945. There are three versions of Stalin shorthand in which it is found that he said the German leader had fled. In Argentina I have interviewed people who were with Hitler. In the Russian archives there is abundant documentation that Hitler escaped.

- What impact has this book on the official version of the death of Hitler?

- The version of the leak is formally rejected in Russia, although recent research has shown that the alleged remains of Hitler saved in the Kremlin are not such... The same applies to the nations involved in the war: the United States took 20 years to reclassify all official material related to this story, and when you meet that deadline it will probably be reclassified, the English documents have been reclassified for another 60 years, the documentation shows that Hitler escaped. The researchers can not access that information.

- How is it possible that the Israeli Nazi hunter could not find him?

"All the world's secret services knew that Hitler had escaped and was in Argentina, as they knew about Mengele, of which there are all sorts of documentary evidence and they never did anything."

Hitler fled to Patagonia on a submarine that sailed from Vigo

We will not fail to note that the original Estate in which Hitler and Eva Braun took refuge belonged to the Principality of Schamburg-Lippe, of which the best known family members is Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld, the Nazi Elite SS cavalryman married the Queen of Holland who happened to found the Bilderberg Group as a Nazi offshoot.


Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld


Crown Princess Juliana & Prince Bernhard engaged in 1936



The Bilderberg Group founded and chaired by Bernhard for more than 20 years


Here we shall note that there is a strong underlying current of Royal allegiances to the Nazi Continuum in the Bilderberg group which is evidenced by their active participation in its meetings since 1964. Here are a few of those participating, noting that this is a partial list given that participants vow secrecy to this organizations.

Royalty

Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld in 1942.
Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands (1997, 2000, 2006, 2008-2010)
Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (1954, 1975) (deceased)
Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, United Kingdom (1986)
Juan Carlos I of Spain, King of Spain (2004)
Prince Philippe, Prince of Belgium (2007-2009)
Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, United Kingdom (1965, 1967)
Queen Sofía of Spain (2008-2010)
King Harald V of Norway (1984)

List of Bilderberg participants: Royalty

It should be noted that King Juan Carlos of Spain was raised by Hitler's personal friend and WWII Ally of the Nazis, the Spanish dictator Franco, who adopted him when a child. He turned out to be quite the "Stealth Nazi" with various social views expounded for the public to consume while wielding considerable power in advancing the Nazi Agenda Globally at the Bilderberg meetings and through other venues such as the Knights of Malta and the secret Council of Ten above the Vatican's Jesuit General's office.


King Juan Carlos with Sovereign Military Order of Malta Grand Master Andrew Cardinal Bertie



More about the Knights Hospitalier of Malta


There is a prominent connection between EUROPEAN ARISTOCRACY AND THE NAZIS - as evidenced by many hidden aspects of the rise of the Nazi regime over the twenty years leading up to World War Two. In-depth investigation into this has been already been effectively conducted and remains to be widely published. This of course includes, but is far from limited to, the more visible tie-in to the falsely British but actually GERMAN British Royal Family whose real name is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha), a family which is the current ruling house of Belgium and the United Kingdom re-baptized in England with a fake Nazi 5th Column name of Windsor just as the Scherff Nazis took on the name Bush in the USA:


Wikipedia: House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha


So it is more than a simple anecdote that the Crown Prince Edward heir to the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha Windsor throne married a Nazi Agent called and became bosom buddies with Hitler, being designated by the Third Reich as Nazi Governor of Great Britain once the war would be over.


Walis Simpson with German Crown Prince Edward Windor and close friend Adolf Hitler



Prince Harry being politically correct for a Royal German Nazi

"The wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton will be a joyous occasion but it also marks the 66th anniversary of the bizarre and macabre union of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun as the Third Reich collapsed."

Prince William and Kate Middleton royal wedding date coincides with Hitler's wedding anniversary

Beyond the involvement of much of Europe's Royal Monarchs with the Nazi Continuum, here is a bit more information on how commoner Martin Bormann set up the array of Multinational Corporations which furthered the Nazi Agenda well after World War Two and up to the present times. We can assume that through their vast network of active Nazis and eminent Nazi sympathizers that this group obtained control of many Multinational companies over the past centuries, some of which are controlled through the CIA using its pretended association with the United States government to justify its active roll in various aspects of their operations on grounds of a fabricated alleged National Security reasons which are too secret to be divulged. Of course they are too secret, what CIA operative in his right mind would tell you that it is to help the Nazis?

"Under this system Bormann amassed about $18 million kroner and $12 million Turkish lira. Balance sheets in Sweden showed Bormann acquired seven mines in central Sweden.17 Bormann created 750 new corporations. The corporations were scattered across the globe and represented a wide array of economic activity from steel and chemicals to electrical companies. The firms were located as follows: Portugal 58, Spain 112, Sweden 233, Switzerland 234, Turkey 35 and Argentina 98. All the corporations created by Bormann issued bearer bonds, so the real ownership was impossible to establish."

"Bormann had several means of dispersing the Nazi assets. He used the diplomatic pouches of the Nazi’s foreign policy minister, von Ribbentrop, to send gold, diamonds, stocks and bonds to Sweden twice a month. A similar pattern was used to ferry more valuables to South America. In addition to Bormann’s Aktion Feuerland project, Bormann allowed other Nazis to transfer their own valuables through the same channels."

Nazi Gold: Bormann’s Aktion Feuerland

Here we can consider that it was in Turkey that a small group of men met to decide upon creating a new global company which would control all of our planet's computer information, calling for the founding of a startup company which came to be known as MICROSOFT. Let it be known that its current "official owner" Bill Gates is merely a "bag man" for this Nazi group and it is not that he disinherited his children, given that the company was never really his to own and transmit, but bequeathed Microsoft to Foundations run by this Nazi network. Yes, this means that the NSA which has a backdoor entrance into all of our computers using windows, is not named NSA for nothing as this quite closely resembles NASA which isn't that different from NAZI. It's all in the family. So it should come as no surprise that Intelligence expert Edward Harle better known under his pen name as journalist Christopher Story, conveyed that Windows VISTA is short for Virtual Intelligence Surveillance Tactical Application.


Front-man Bill Gates puts a "User Friendly Face" on Nazi Global Eugenics


We will also note that a number of American Corporations controlled by the secretively active Nazis under the banner of the Neo-Cons have been behind numerous sterilization projects and mass mind numbing operations such as large scale fluoridation of the population through toothpaste [Colgate Palmolive is a known "controlled" corporation] and pollution of the public water supply in the USA and other select countries. This method of subduing a population of "prisoners" was effectively used in most Nazi concentration camps and has been rolled-out for the dumbing down and chemical 'pacification' of civilian populations prone to resistance or unrest. Fluoride is known to replace other chemical agents ensuring the transmission of brain signals, keeping your neurones from communicating and preventing autonomous thought. Add fluoride to the water in beer gushing from Sports bars and you get a compliant drunken citizen.


Getsmart

Well ATS friends,


I have some groundbreaking and earth-shattering news to communicate, which confirms much of what has been posted above.


The Nazis at NASA have Cloned HITLER, MUSSOLINI and EVA BRAUN.


They are actually HIDING their CLONES in plain sight. Here is the posting at ATS which also refers to another website where I have analyzed this discovery further. Please download this information before it disappears from the Internet (using your right mouse button and selecting "Save As").


Jared Loughner the alleged Tucson shooter - So many questions - so few answers


You will get info on the following:


Judge Roll and Adolf Hitler



Hitler with John McCarthy Roll



Astronaut Mark Kelly and Benito Mussolini



Eva Braun and Gabrielle Giffords



We may have a serious CLONE PROBLEM on our hands, hopefully it is not to late to address it.


Getsmart

Short edit to correct latest post. A picture of Gretl Braun was posted on the Internet as being Eva, this was an error I have since detected. For the correct attribution and further comparisons in this case, see the link in the previous post.

GS

Sorry folks if I seem to have highjacked this thread, apologies especially to the OP. Carried away perhaps with something which may or may not bear significance on the case of whether Hitler survived WWII or not. After all, there could be a Nazi continuum without him. And he could have been used as a 'stud' posthumously similarly to what was suggested by the Stasi documents regarding Angela Merkel's birth. Or anytime later anyone with any agenda could have cloned him or others of his entourage for whatever reason suited them, even with no good reason.


So I shall return this thread to its original destination. If others here wish to pursue speculation it should be in another of the threads more directly concerned, such as the one in the Highly Speculative section or the thread about Jared Loughner started by Doomzilla.


Cheers,


GS