Chemtrails over the Grand National in Liverpool?

Whilst watching the BBC coverage of the 2011 Grand National 1-15pm UK

I noticed some unnatural clouds in the background.

Anyone in the Merseyside area to give an on hands observation please?

reply to post by deprogrammer


They are clouds buddy. I'm watching it as we speak.

Enjoy the race.

reply to post by deprogrammer


I'm in North Manchester, they have been sprying all morning here, and as you are 70 miles from me it'll probaly be the same aircraft!

They admit they are doing it, but why????

reply to post by kushin


To fix the outcome of the race maybe

reply to post by kushin
That's the big question. As I understand it, chem-trailing is a world wide phenomenon which must require serious amounts of logistical influence and organisation, yet no one really knows why. They're obviously not doing it fot no reason.

Its full of the over Preston UK as i type this, About 40 miles from the races,

Defo not natural, i will get some pictures when i go out

reply to post by Robert Reynolds


Oh, sheesh!

... chem-trailing is a world wide phenomenon which must require serious amounts of logistical influence and organisation....

The "world wide" bit is because commercial airliners fly all over the planet. Well, not really.....only to the places where PEOPLE wish to travel.

So, the "logistical....organisation" is the scheduling of regular airline flights, by all the various hundreds of airlines, worldwide. Independently, for the most part....except for those who are in marketing alliances, where they dove-tail the schedules to coincide for ground connections, for travellers at major joint hub airports.....

Can you watch videos? This one is the total globe, ALL air traffic large enough to fly at the altitudes where contrails form, 24 hour period. (Of course, same pattern repeats every next 24 hours, etc...). You can see that only a tiny percentage of the planet's surface is actually being flown over, and also contrails (not "chem"-trails, which are a myth and hoax) don't form all of the time. Conditions vary, and aren't always conducive to contrail formation:




Spread the word, and let's allow knowledge to flourish, and banish the ignorance. (AND, keep these "chem"-trail hucksters and charlatans from taking more profits from the gullible and uneducated....).

reply to post by weedwhacker
Somebody's produced a video? Oh, must be true then...sheeesh! Chem-trails are there and are undeniable to those with the eyes to see.

Are you going to claim that you've written your response in order to help me see the light? If the concept is so ridiculous, why are you wasting your time commenting? Tell me, what problem could possibly arise from my supposed delusions?

If I were to look through all your contributions on ATS, would I find that your policing every thread and post with equally charitable attention?...or are you a chem-trail specialist?

You are either deluded or lying. I know which one I think.

Your propaganda is wasted on me.

reply to post by Robert Reynolds


You registered a week ago, but you already got that guy figured out, lol.

It even seems that he doesn´t even want to do this, but hey, orders are orders, and bills not to get paid.

I find that he´s not as creative and motivated as he used to be, he sounds more like a bot, throwing out automated responses when the chemtrail thread light begins to flicker.

reply to post by UrgentInsurgent
To be fair, he does at least make an effort. Some of the 'de-bunking' on this subject seems to consist of nothing more than comments equal to: 'only a big fat stupid head beleives in chem-trailing'.

You asked why... I wonder if it's something to do with climate change? I'm in Wigan so right in-between Liverpool/Manchester and I see them all the time, it's as if they are normal planes with fuel coming out but I notice that clouds form around them. It was a clear day here yesterday and I pointed it out to the other half who thinks I'm crazy. But that sounds viable to me, blocking parts of the sunlight out to cool the Earth? Any takers?

reply to post by Robert Reynolds


Want to talk about "deluded"?

! Chem-trails are there and are undeniable to those with the eyes to see.

HOW?

What, exactly, do you "see"? Can your eyes detect anything other than the visible light spectrum?

Are your eyes magical....are they spectrometers? Are you such a super-human that you can "see" chemicals, in the sky??

You are either deluded or lying. I know which one I think.

Yes, indeed.......and, I know in this case. YOU, on the other hand, have NO IDEA what my qualifications, skills, experience and knowledge base are. Is evident in ALL people who are deluded enough to toss rational and critical thinking aside, and "believe" in this rot......

reply to post by weedwhacker
I only need to use the visible range of electro-magnetism in order to see what I can see out of my window.
And no, I don't know your expertise or qualifications and I never will, but my instinct tells me it's an extremely sensitive subject and you're here to push officially sanctioned lies.

Has the OP (or, indeed, some other posters in this thread) really never seen a contrail before? Serious question.

More info: www.airspacemag.com...

Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

I only need to use the visible range of electro-magnetism in order to see what I can see out of my window.
And no, I don't know your expertise or qualifications and I never will, but my instinct tells me it's an extremely sensitive subject and you're here to push officially sanctioned lies.

Huh?

Are you claiming you can see what things are made of just by looking at them?

Wow you really are a super hero!

reply to post by skyjohn
No, I'm not claiming to have 'magic eyes' and you know I'm not. I'm looking at the amount of aircraft in the sky; the length of time it took for the trails to disappear, and the fact that it happened two days ago; it didn't yesterday, but is happening again today.

I find you eagerness to use mild insult and smileys rather puerile.

So, how do you actually know they are chemtrails, and not normal contrails from the ordinary jets which always fly over Liverpool and Manchester? Because a major route goes over there, which is used by aircraft going to and from Ireland.

And if you used this website, you could find out exactly what plane was leaving that contrail.

Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
reply to post by skyjohn

 

No, I'm not claiming to have 'magic eyes' and you know I'm not. I'm looking at the amount of aircraft in the sky; the length of time it took for the trails to disappear, and the fact that it happened two days ago; it didn't yesterday, but is happening again today.

I find you eagerness to use mild insult and smileys rather puerile.

Sure my reply may have been puerile, but you have to know this whole subject is just a complete joke.

You all know you have nothing other than your over active imaginations as evidence for it being real.
The sooner you all realise this, the sooner you can move on with your lives and do something productive with your time.

reply to post by skyjohn
My life isn't devoted to chem-trails in the slightest, it's just when I've read threads on ATS the responses seem slightly suspicious to me and so I've started paying attention to them when I'm out and about.

When something can be proven to me personally - then I'll accept it, otherwise it's just a faith based belief. I don't give blind faith to politicians, journalists or scientists - in fact I beleive their fields to be three of the five means of mass-manipulation.

reply to post by apex
Very few people actually know, but an awful lot of people strongly suspect. Where I am, there was extensive 'trailing' on thursday; none yesterday and excessive amounts again today. Am I in a flight path or not? Most days I'll see planes if I really look, but they're usually at a much higher altitude and much fewer. Thursday and today have been extremely busy.