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Originally posted by Baldryck
In theory this all sounds good. However, Animal Farm starts out like this. Everyone equal until some (the officers/leaders) start to institute "some are more equal than others" rules.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
What about a national defense?
How does that work in an Anarchy?
When we are attacked we as a collective defend ourselves. Community by community.
We all vote on defensive action. We all draft a central defense force.
We do it as a collective group. Not oligarchs in the backroom scheming up theft wars.
Originally posted by RadicalRebel
It works exactly how it should.
Rather than having a "military industrial complex" run as a business and advancing and promoting itself through whatever means necessary you would have the network of a successfull community supporting itself, using its means to advance itself peacefully and only turning to "National Defence" when the need arose, not in a pre-emptive dominating campaign of collateral damage and acceptable losses.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
You guys are trying to portray a utopia with zero corruption, as if businesses are without corruption withouth Govt.
We believe in strong size restricted democratic communies and local democratically created laws created by that community to defend your right to self and your property from someone else stealing it from you. We create laws that we want. The laws are restricted to that community. Any law can be voted in or out but the population itself votes in the laws. -We are against centralized power and "leaders"(handlers/Puppets).
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
I like aspects of both. The communities all don't have to be one form of anarchy. They can be any form of anarchy. Its very flexible for the needs of the group of people operating that system of self governance.
Socialism and freedom will never come through parliament. They can only come through workers struggle and workers organisations defeating the bosses. They can only come though revolutionary industrial unionism (anarcho-syndicalism).
Anarcho-syndicalism puts its emphasis on the organized industrial workers who could, through a ‘social general strike’, expropriate the possessors of capital and thus engineer a workers’ take-over of industry and administration. Colin Ward, 'Anarchism: A Very Short Introduction'. ch.1 p.2, 1995
Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, and socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality. Mikhail Bakunin
Anarchism is stateless socialism, Mikhail Bakunin
As Socialism in general, Anarchism was born among the people; and it will continue to be full of life and creative power only as long as it remains a thing of the people. From 'Modern Science and Anarchism', Peter Kropotkin, 1908.
The word ‘anarchy’ comes from the Greek anarkhia, meaning contrary to authority or without a ruler, and was used in a derogatory sense until 1840, when it was adopted by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon to describe his political and social ideology. Proudhon argued that organization without government was both possible and desirable. In the evolution of political ideas, anarchism can be seen as an ultimate projection of both liberalism and socialism, and the differing strands of anarchist thought can be related to their emphasis on one or the other of these...
The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.
Is it necessary to repeat here the irrefutable arguments of Socialism which no bourgeois
economist has yet succeeded in disproving? What is property, what is capital in their present form?
For the capitalist and the property owner they mean the power and the right, guaranteed by the
State, to live without working. And since neither property nor capital produces anything when not
fertilized by labor - that means the power and the right to live by exploiting the work of someone
else, the right to exploit the work of those who possess neither property nor capital and who thus are
forced to sell their productive power to the lucky owners of both. From 'The Capitalist System' p.1, Michael Bakunin 1814-1876, Anarcho-Collectivist.
Originally posted by Baldryck
In theory this all sounds good. However, Animal Farm starts out like this. Everyone equal until some (the officers/leaders) start to institute "some are more equal than others" rules.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
No they don't. They have corrupt authoritarian governments/ruling factions/dictatorships.
The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another.
As is well known, anarchists use the terms “libertarian”, “libertarian socialist” and “libertarian communist” as equivalent to “anarchist” and, similarly, “libertarian socialism” or “libertarian communism” as an alternative for “anarchism.” This is perfectly understandable, as the anarchist goal is freedom, liberty, and the ending of all hierarchical and authoritarian institutions and social relations.
Unfortunately, in the United States the term “libertarian” has become, since the 1970s, associated with the right-wing, i.e., supporters of “free-market” capitalism...
After all we are socialists as the social-democrats, the socialists, the communists, and the I.W.W. are all Socialists. The difference — the fundamental one — between us and all the other is that they are authoritarian while we are libertarian; they believe in a State or Government of their own; we believe in no State or Government. [Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti, The Letters of Sacco and Vanzetti, p. 274]