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You are quick to ask for sources, but at some point you have to bring your intellect and the ability to sit at the table and play.
You've been given links to several sources that made the claim, what do you mean "unsourced"? Someone even mentioned it was on HAMAS' website. (Tho, I haven't independently confirmed this) sheesh.
"Several Hamas officials and civilians by recent airstrikes preceding it" So you're saying there was an israeli airstrike before the bus attack, ok. That very well could be, so..
A: do you have a source for that claim?
and B: Were there missile attacks from Hamas before that? and
C: are you again trying to state that Israel is blindly attacking Palestine and it's civilians on PURPOSE because they simply enjoy it?
Ok, that's not necessarily surprising, tho it would be appreciated if you could provide some sources?
I disagree. The public gives doesn't give two #s about the problems in the middle east, or anything else for that matter. They give about 1 #, and it lasts about a week. Take a look at the Fukushima nuclear disaster if you want proof of that.
I don't think these retaliations are there for this reasons, (I think that has already been made clear) tho I will agree with you on the point that Israel should not try to grab more land from the Palestinians.
It IS a tragedy. I don't condone it, but Hamas it TOTALLY aware of the might of the Israeli military. WHY would anyone be so insane to keep lobbing missiles over? We know the consequences (and WE aren't even there!) and those consequences sometimes will include civilians.
Let's not also forget that even tho some people call these things (missiles) "firecrackers" They fully capable of killing and wounding scores of Israelis. (Please don't make me post links of brutal deaths that have ALSO occoured in Israel as a result of attacks from Hamas.)
Right! So WHY then do you place it all it one place?
First, people are NOT quick to celebrate attacks on Gaza, you've been on ATS for a long time (and I usually like your posts, although these ones you have made in this thread have been way over the top IMO) Haven't you seen all the support for Hamas?
Second, people tend to react on what they are told. In this case we have ATS to tell both sides, but those who don't see what the MSM report, so in that manner, I'd say the MSM has spun the situation pro-Israel. However, this does not say to me that HAMAS was created by Israel to justify murdering innocent palestinians. That is ABSURD.
Reread the thread Johnny Come Lately I am not going to repeat myself on whats been gone through previously.
Glad you imagine that the only entity that might not lie on the Internet is Hamas, funny you don't like them despite this imagined honesty.
There was NO Who, What, How, When and Where simply an unsourced claim on a website, it's not proof of anything.
Guess you didn't read the Hamas Web Site but are taking other people's words for what was on it, had you read it you would have at least one source for the claim there.
The Israeli airstrikes the week before are well documented and Israeli officials announced the attacks.
Once again its a tit for tat thing that goes back decades starting with the Zionist Terrorist Organizations reneging on the agreements of the British Mandate.
Go back far enough and you will always find something to excuse the next round of violence.
Having trouble getting that concept I see.
Israel has been milking the United States and other nations for cash and weapons for years in a slow for profit campaign to illegally expand their territory through violence in what Human Rights Organizations and UN Investigators describe as both "Apartheid" and "Genocide"
If you are unfamiliar with the topic you might want to hit some history books beginning with the Zionist Congress in the late 1800's and the controversial Balfour Declaration the Jewish Terror Campaigns, State Hood, the Arab attempts to enforce the broken agreements that the UN couldn't or wouldn't, and the seperation of the Palestinian people through Israeli led violence into seperate enclaves.
Completely different topic I and others have done some threads on it, do yourself a favor, get informed and start with the HB Gary Email Controversies.
Then I guess it's your evil twin or split personality posting to this thread and while you appear to not be well informed on the issues or the history you care at least enough to be posting here and if you are not a Government Official then you are guess what, a member of the public.
The Israelis are still building illegal settlements and no amount of International pressure has been able to stop them.
Once again what are a people's options when faced with an superiorly armed agressor that has already stolen the majority of their land through violence and aims to slowly steal the rest.
If it sounds like I am being harder on the Israelis that is likely in part because the Israelis have committed a lot more deaths of civilians and stolen land and other things that are not flattering to them.
However if you go back to the Operation Cast Lead Thread from two and a half years ago you will find many pro-Israeli posters celebrating the attacks on Gazan civilians and schools, one of them being the previous banned incarnation of the Original Poster of this thread IAF101.
Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by Wookiep
Hi
If you think Proto's conspiracy theory about Hamas run by Mossad shooting at Israel to shoot back bla bla is delusional, do a search on his posts regarding the Holocaust. He believes (and many others gladly joined) that the Jews / Zionists / Rothschild conspired to massacre six million Jews because – lo and behold – six is a sacred religious Talmudic____ (fill in the blank) number, therefor it was necessary to sacrifice 2/3 of the Jewish people.
I KID YOU NOT.
I only answer to his posts because some readers here might actually think that his long writings show intellect, while the truth is, they only use as a smoke screen to hide his hatred and lies.
Bottom line dear Proto, you were proven wrong again and again. Hamas took responsibility for the attack. But hey, if you so insist on digging a bigger hole for you, be my guest. Enjoy the ride.
His answer to this of course is going to be: oh, don't play that Holocaust card again...
Originally posted by Justice4Gaza
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Dont let the ziotrolls get u bogged down in a battle of 'sources' and any of that other crap. They just do whatever they can to derail your point, with meaningless links. They know in their hearts they are evil. But their minds play tricks on them and let them beleive it is they who are just and right. When anyone with eyes can see the truth.
In regards to the Middle East:
As an American I would choose the Israelis over the Palestinians any day. The Middle East is a # whole dominated by societies that are ruled by a religion that didn’t modernize or evolve in the past 400 hundred years.
It’s funny that you don’t practice what you preach. If you read your last posts its very apparent where you stand when it comes to the Jews and Israel. You write long posts that don’t say much of anything but once in a while give us a glimpse of your true face. The face of an angry racist specifically to Jews and Israel.
The main corruption we are dealing with in our world is the corruption of the small minded and uneducated people who blame their life problems on society, the government, social elite and minority groups who are an easy target. While rarely looking at themselves in the mirror.
Very similar to drug addicts and criminals who blame everyone else but themselves.
It’s called “The victim theory” in psychology.
You sound like an angry old man that its easier for him to hide behind a Vail of a website then actually act on his opinions in real life. It seems that for you ATS is a place where you can take out your frustration and anger, and gather an audience of mostly young adults to feel good about yourself, but in reality have little affect on anyone here let alone any relevance to the world we live in.
Try walking in the street in the US and telling someone in person half of what you say here, and lets see the reaction you receive. You would loose your job in a heartbeat. So will your kids and grandchildren if this is what you preach to them.
You are a coward not only for hiding behind the website, but for not producing one piece of relevant evidence or logic to any one of your statements and arguments.
You have been served again.
Dracula Out
Originally posted by deadbang
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
I find the actions of the Palenstinians and Hamas to be cowardly. Hit and run tactics against indisciminate targets, women and children, the elderly. Why not put their big boy pants on and come out and fight?
Oh yeah, other than having no backbone, Israel would wipe the floor with all of it's neighbors, and every country in the region knows it. Ever wonder why Ahmadinejad doen't make good on his rhetoric and hyperbole? It isn't the U.S. that scares him.