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posted on Apr, 9 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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Not my fight.
But it is not absurd to understand that you can fund and control your opposition. If you can fund your opposition, you control your opposition.
You are quick to ask for sources, but at some point you have to bring your intellect and the ability to sit at the table and play.
Like I said, not my fight. I will save my energy for something worth fighting...or "debating" about, but this call for sources is bull#. Make your points.



posted on Apr, 9 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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You are quick to ask for sources, but at some point you have to bring your intellect and the ability to sit at the table and play.



Normally I would agree with you. Asking for sources on every little thing, especially things involving the use of common sense is nit-picky at best.


However, if you are really understanding the scale of what ProtoplasmicTraveler is claiming in the big picture, then you may understand why sources for those claims are needed. Take a look at the 9/11 board sometime and see all the sources that have been given for that scenario... Even with sources the skeptics (or shall I say believers of the OS) STILL don't buy it.


I won't state my summary of ProtoplasmicTraveler's claims again since it's not necessary, but if you check a few posts back, you will find it.

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Edit: oh and to be fair, I only asked for a source on 2 points.
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posted on Apr, 9 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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No beef with you.
I think it is healthy to challenge people a bit. Keeps them on their toes.
Like professional resumes, sources are a dime a dozen, in my opinion. Insight, and the kind of intuitive analysis that enables one to understand and predict somewhat the trends requires an actual understanding of what is currently going on. The Israeli deception is alive and well, but, like I said, not my fight.
G'night.



posted on Apr, 9 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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You've been given links to several sources that made the claim, what do you mean "unsourced"? Someone even mentioned it was on HAMAS' website. (Tho, I haven't independently confirmed this) sheesh.


Reread the thread Johnny Come Lately I am not going to repeat myself on whats been gone through previously.

Glad you imagine that the only entity that might not lie on the Internet is Hamas, funny you don't like them despite this imagined honesty.

There was NO Who, What, How, When and Where simply an unsourced claim on a website, it's not proof of anything.




"Several Hamas officials and civilians by recent airstrikes preceding it" So you're saying there was an israeli airstrike before the bus attack, ok. That very well could be, so..

A: do you have a source for that claim?


Guess you didn't read the Hamas Web Site but are taking other people's words for what was on it, had you read it you would have at least one source for the claim there.

The Israeli airstrikes the week before are well documented and Israeli officials announced the attacks.



and B: Were there missile attacks from Hamas before that? and


Once again its a tit for tat thing that goes back decades starting with the Zionist Terrorist Organizations reneging on the agreements of the British Mandate.

Go back far enough and you will always find something to excuse the next round of violence.

Having trouble getting that concept I see.




C: are you again trying to state that Israel is blindly attacking Palestine and it's civilians on PURPOSE because they simply enjoy it?


Israel has been milking the United States and other nations for cash and weapons for years in a slow for profit campaign to illegally expand their territory through violence in what Human Rights Organizations and UN Investigators describe as both "Apartheid" and "Genocide"

If you are unfamiliar with the topic you might want to hit some history books beginning with the Zionist Congress in the late 1800's and the controversial Balfour Declaration the Jewish Terror Campaigns, State Hood, the Arab attempts to enforce the broken agreements that the UN couldn't or wouldn't, and the seperation of the Palestinian people through Israeli led violence into seperate enclaves.




Ok, that's not necessarily surprising, tho it would be appreciated if you could provide some sources?


Completely different topic I and others have done some threads on it, do yourself a favor, get informed and start with the HB Gary Email Controversies.




I disagree. The public gives doesn't give two #s about the problems in the middle east, or anything else for that matter. They give about 1 #, and it lasts about a week. Take a look at the Fukushima nuclear disaster if you want proof of that.


Then I guess it's your evil twin or split personality posting to this thread and while you appear to not be well informed on the issues or the history you care at least enough to be posting here and if you are not a Government Official then you are guess what, a member of the public.




I don't think these retaliations are there for this reasons, (I think that has already been made clear) tho I will agree with you on the point that Israel should not try to grab more land from the Palestinians.


The Israelis are still building illegal settlements and no amount of International pressure has been able to stop them.

The only nation with half a chance to enforce settlement freezes is the United States and it's political suicide for any US President to try because of the powerful AIPAC Lobby and Jewish Politics within the United States.

This is a real and very complex problem made complex by slick lobbyists, media specialists and propagandists who will do almost anything in order to keep stealing Palestianian land.

You might want to ask yourself if the UN won't act, and the Palestinians are isolated from the International community because of the Terrorist Designation applied to Hamas the moment that they won fair and free democratic elections, and an ongoing Israeli boycott of Gaza that at times has forced Palestinians to eat grass to keep from starving what you imagine their options really are?

It's a travesty and one that in part is allowed to happen because of poorly informed and worse deliberately misinformed Americans who basically bankroll this whole process financially and militarily for the Israels.




It IS a tragedy. I don't condone it, but Hamas it TOTALLY aware of the might of the Israeli military. WHY would anyone be so insane to keep lobbing missiles over? We know the consequences (and WE aren't even there!) and those consequences sometimes will include civilians.


If the English felt that way during the Blitz we would probably all be speaking German right now.

As Winston Churchill said "It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees".

Once again what are a people's options when faced with an superiorly armed agressor that has already stolen the majority of their land through violence and aims to slowly steal the rest.




Let's not also forget that even tho some people call these things (missiles) "firecrackers" They fully capable of killing and wounding scores of Israelis. (Please don't make me post links of brutal deaths that have ALSO occoured in Israel as a result of attacks from Hamas.)


And your point is what, that people shouldn't fight back when they are being persecuted, stolen from, systematically starved and murdered unless they can build ICBMS and have Aircraft Carriers?




Right! So WHY then do you place it all it one place?


What are you basing the blind presumption I have. I have written extensively on this issue here on ATS if you are confused about my posting history that's not my fault.

Clearly I have stated both sides have a responsibility in both the violence and the failure to achieve peace.

If it sounds like I am being harder on the Israelis that is likely in part because the Israelis have committed a lot more deaths of civilians and stolen land and other things that are not flattering to them.

Additionally the Palestinians are not claiming some moral superiority that the Israelis often do, if you claim a moral superiority you had better live up to it, in the Israeli's case they simply don't.




First, people are NOT quick to celebrate attacks on Gaza, you've been on ATS for a long time (and I usually like your posts, although these ones you have made in this thread have been way over the top IMO) Haven't you seen all the support for Hamas?


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and how I choose to respond to a ill tempered troll is simply how I choose to respond to an ill tempered troll.

However if you go back to the Operation Cast Lead Thread from two and a half years ago you will find many pro-Israeli posters celebrating the attacks on Gazan civilians and schools, one of them being the previous banned incarnation of the Original Poster of this thread IAF101.




Second, people tend to react on what they are told. In this case we have ATS to tell both sides, but those who don't see what the MSM report, so in that manner, I'd say the MSM has spun the situation pro-Israel. However, this does not say to me that HAMAS was created by Israel to justify murdering innocent palestinians. That is ABSURD.


Actually it's a documented fact that Hamas was founded with help by the Mossad to counter the PLO and Palestinian Authority in typical divide and conquer tactics meant to keep the Palestinians divided.

Israel has acted to sabatoge every Government that the Palestinians elect by helping to form parties within Palestine to act against it.

Hamas was in fact one of those.

What's absurd is people simply imagining that such things don't happen and not being well studied trying to substantiate opinion as fact.

Thanks.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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Reread the thread Johnny Come Lately I am not going to repeat myself on whats been gone through previously.




What the hell is that supposed to mean? That phrase is familiar, I think It's mentioned in a decent song by the Eagles, but don't try to spin this as "oh you're just so un-informed"





Glad you imagine that the only entity that might not lie on the Internet is Hamas, funny you don't like them despite this imagined honesty.


So you're saying Hamas is lying for Israel's super secret agenda, I get it no, I do. I think it's obvious I don't like Hamas, but then again this is a very oddly worded statement. Then again, your whole theory in this is beyond odd, it's more like a reason to say you don't think Israel should exsist. It's ok man, tell us how you really feel?





There was NO Who, What, How, When and Where simply an unsourced claim on a website, it's not proof of anything.



Are you talking about the missile attack on the bus? Let me break it down for you:

Who: Hamas:

What: A missile attack on a bus in Israel

How: With a missile.

When: April 7 2011.

Where: This event took place in Israel.

Dunno what else you are asking for but all those answers are in the dreaded MSM, including CNN, but I get that you think they just want to see innocent palestinians get killed. click below! edition.cnn.com...





Guess you didn't read the Hamas Web Site but are taking other people's words for what was on it, had you read it you would have at least one source for the claim there.


You're right, I didn't read it. BUT I guess Hamas trusts what the palestinian people say. *shrug* I guess since they were created by Isreali secret agents then it doesn't really matter anyway does it? Oh yeah, c'mon you know that's what you wanted to say...




The Israeli airstrikes the week before are well documented and Israeli officials announced the attacks.

Once again its a tit for tat thing that goes back decades starting with the Zionist Terrorist Organizations reneging on the agreements of the British Mandate.

Go back far enough and you will always find something to excuse the next round of violence.

Having trouble getting that concept I see.


Well, if you knew how to read, you would know that I don't condone excuses at all. You are choosing to give any excuse as long as it makes Israel the bad guy. The excuse you are giving is that no matter what Hamas does, since you have this super secret conspiracy by Israel in your head to kill Palestinians, it really makes talking to you compeltely useless.

No matter what "source" you receive you are going to think Israel is the cause for violence. Please don't preach "Having trouble getting concepts" to me, because to me, you have already made up your mind no matter what.




Israel has been milking the United States and other nations for cash and weapons for years in a slow for profit campaign to illegally expand their territory through violence in what Human Rights Organizations and UN Investigators describe as both "Apartheid" and "Genocide"

If you are unfamiliar with the topic you might want to hit some history books beginning with the Zionist Congress in the late 1800's and the controversial Balfour Declaration the Jewish Terror Campaigns, State Hood, the Arab attempts to enforce the broken agreements that the UN couldn't or wouldn't, and the seperation of the Palestinian people through Israeli led violence into seperate enclaves.


What nation in the middle east doesn't try to aquire weapons? The U.S. Has been supplying weapons to the middle east for DECADES, not just Israel. Remember Afghanistan? Iraq? Look, there's no need to quote the "zionist" congress from the 1800's because after WWII, the world changed. Land was given to the Jews, get over it.

I'm sorry you don't like it, but the American Indians these days don't like how it ended up for them either. Did everything end up the way it should in the world? I doubt it, so go ahead and keep making up your theories about the "zionist agenda".



Completely different topic I and others have done some threads on it, do yourself a favor, get informed and start with the HB Gary Email Controversies.


Fine, I won't touch it, but you brought it up.



Then I guess it's your evil twin or split personality posting to this thread and while you appear to not be well informed on the issues or the history you care at least enough to be posting here and if you are not a Government Official then you are guess what, a member of the public.


To you, I'm not well informed because I disagree with Hamas lobbing missiles into Israel, and I think any country would retaliate for those actions. But then again, that's not even worth discussing with you because you think Israel created Hamas for their evil intentions, and that makes me a sheeple now, right?? That's fantastic, next time don't even bring up the fact that you want un-biased opinions because I'm fully aware of how one-sided you are.

Oh and I never said I wasn't a member of the public, lol. I know you are but what am I? heh



The Israelis are still building illegal settlements and no amount of International pressure has been able to stop them.


Well, if you read my reply, I even agreed with you on this point, but your obvious hatred for Israel is clouding your mind.



Once again what are a people's options when faced with an superiorly armed agressor that has already stolen the majority of their land through violence and aims to slowly steal the rest.


Here's 1 option. Quit thinking that sending missiles into Israel will help the situation. It obviously hasn't. It doesn't even take an "informed" person to know that.



If it sounds like I am being harder on the Israelis that is likely in part because the Israelis have committed a lot more deaths of civilians and stolen land and other things that are not flattering to them.


Do you think if it wasn't for those sypathizers (like in threads like this) that see civilian casualties in Palestine as a result of Israeli retaliations didn't buy it anymore that Hamas would still do it everyday? I seriously don't.



However if you go back to the Operation Cast Lead Thread from two and a half years ago you will find many pro-Israeli posters celebrating the attacks on Gazan civilians and schools, one of them being the previous banned incarnation of the Original Poster of this thread IAF101.


Well, then that is an outrage. There is no reason to "celebrate" the death of civilians in ANY case. Please don't lump everyone in to the same catagory. There are muslims who celebrate the beheading of westerners. Would you like me to lump all muslims in the same catagory? Thanks.

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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Hi
If you think Proto's conspiracy theory about Hamas run by Mossad shooting at Israel to shoot back bla bla is delusional, do a search on his posts regarding the Holocaust. He believes (and many others gladly joined) that the Jews / Zionists / Rothschild conspired to massacre six million Jews because – lo and behold – six is a sacred religious Talmudic____ (fill in the blank) number, therefor it was necessary to sacrifice 2/3 of the Jewish people.

I KID YOU NOT.

I only answer to his posts because some readers here might actually think that his long writings show intellect, while the truth is, they only use as a smoke screen to hide his hatred and lies.

Bottom line dear Proto, you were proven wrong again and again. Hamas took responsibility for the attack. But hey, if you so insist on digging a bigger hole for you, be my guest. Enjoy the ride.

His answer to this of course is going to be: oh, don't play that Holocaust card again...



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:06 AM
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This is horribly sad. I just feel for Israel at the moment with everything they have to put up with. But knowing God's hand is ont he country I know it will prevail..



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:24 AM
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Hi
If you think Proto's conspiracy theory about Hamas run by Mossad shooting at Israel to shoot back bla bla is delusional, do a search on his posts regarding the Holocaust. He believes (and many others gladly joined) that the Jews / Zionists / Rothschild conspired to massacre six million Jews because – lo and behold – six is a sacred religious Talmudic____ (fill in the blank) number, therefor it was necessary to sacrifice 2/3 of the Jewish people.

I KID YOU NOT.

I only answer to his posts because some readers here might actually think that his long writings show intellect, while the truth is, they only use as a smoke screen to hide his hatred and lies.

Bottom line dear Proto, you were proven wrong again and again. Hamas took responsibility for the attack. But hey, if you so insist on digging a bigger hole for you, be my guest. Enjoy the ride.

His answer to this of course is going to be: oh, don't play that Holocaust card again...


Oh I don't care if you play the Holocaust Card just that if you are going to parapharase me on an off topic conspiracy get it right.

The good thing is that you recognize that I do make a lot of sense in my annalysis and that because common sense and logic can't be countered, those who feel a need to feed the propaganda machine instead would rather try to discredit me.

Of course they can't actually discredit the annalysis since it's all entirely plausible so in the case of the holocaust and as we saw here earlier in the thread people just misrepresent the annalysis I put forward by exagerating it and changing the details and alleging different things were said than where while amazingly failing to quote them.

So I know the minute people start going after me, highly biased closed minded people start going after me that I have already won.

They can't defeat the quality of the message, but instead have to go after the messenger, and even funnier still to misportray things attributed to the messenger.

Now to show you how disatvantaged you all are, I actually was able to trick you into doing that.

Now lets see if any of you have enough of a brain to figure out why I tricked you into doing that?

Of course the thread though remains not about my very favorite subject in the world...Proto...which amazingly can and often does become the subject of any thread no matter how unrelated and far removed but rather it is about that rather dubious attack by the Mossad on a bus full of Israeli School Children.

Where I have presented some very sound annalysis and theories as to just why and how it's reasonable to suspect that the Israelis are involved.


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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:34 AM
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See first you would want to actually try to consider what I am actually saying rather than reinventing what I am actually saying so you can carry on with your perpertual state of confusion.

Yes you showed up late to the thread, and now want to rehash the same old ground where I have already made clear and concise statments.

You would like to force me to do this by acting confused about what I really have said and paraphrasing it to have an entirely different meaning through using entirely different words, words that you select to frame a poor presentation and argument then attributed to me by you rather than the words I selected to make a lucid and coherent one.

As far as the who what when how and where,

all this was covered before too, and no the who what when and how and where you imagine I am looking for either through laziness of not reading the thread or dishonesty of not presenting my position as I have presented it is ...

Who in Hamas, ie someone with a real name is taking responsiblity, how did they do that, when did they do that and where did they do that.

If you knew history and especially the history of non-conventional attacks, you would remember decades ago when the Red Brigades and Batter Mein Hoff and Carlos the Jackal amongst others were all terrorizing Europe with bombings and kidnappings that often multiple groups would immediately call up to take credit, even though it could only have been one of the groups that carried it out.

Each would often seek to claim credit through anonymous phone calls to gain the group media attention and the spot light and as a recruitment tool even though often they had nothing to do with what they were taking credit for.

So just because a group attempts to claim credit in such an unconventional attack does not mean it actually did.

Good detectives know this and good conspiracy theorists are good detectives.

The rest of your post is just an ode to Zionist Propaganda and not worth responding to as such since you are after all simply saying that they should be allowed to steal as much land as they want and that is just the way the cookie crumbles and that under no circumstances should any attempt be tolerated from the people it's being stolen from to retaliate or fight back.

So you are simply a highly biased poster with a closed mind pretending to be less biased in your qualifiers and confusion but eventually after that disengenous preamble sequay right into the main propaganda talking points of the Israeli appologist or pro-Zionist.

By the way Johnny Come Lately was a popular term long before the Eagles used it in "New Kid in Town" so you are really just showing the limitations of your depth and over all confusion on the origins of things there too.





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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Oh my, how gullible we are. You tricked us.

There was no peace in the land of Israel between Palestinians and Jews.
Firstly, there were no people named Palestinians before 1967.
Secondly, Arabs constantly murdered Jews since the beginning of the 1900's.
Just look at the 1929 massacre, also known in Hebrew as מאורעות תרפ"ט.
The latest school bus attack was not the first time Arabs (Palestinians) deliberately attacked school children. Look at the Ma'alot massacre. Very similar to the Beslan massacre that was carried out by Islamic Chechen group.
These are just two examples out of almost countless other attacks.
Now, go ahead and write another scroll to contradict that.

Your honor,
with this and the last two posts above this one that obviously show a parallel reality in a parallel universe, I hereby respectively rest my case.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Oh please I have heard that Propaganda so many times.

Judea and Samaria are ROMAN STATES not even Jewish ones. I get so tired of hearing all the reinvented history, the lies and distortions from the either very poorly educated or outright brainwashed pro-Zionist faction and their silly attempts to foist this easily dismissed drivel.

I can't for the life of me figure out if the people who espouse this claptrap think the people they are trying to foist it on are that stupid as to believe it, or if they are just that stupid themselves.

It's an insult to learned people and no matter what nonsense you want to make up there really was a Palestine prior to Zionist immigration and it was the Romans not the Arabs that drove the Jews into Diaspora.

No matter what nonsense you want to try to propogate the Jewish religion itself only allows for the State of Israel to be repopulated and created by the Jewish Messiah which is why most of the world's Jews won't live there, and many of the Jews born there or immigrated there out of the old Soviet Union as economic and political refugees have long since immigrated out of it, many of them illegally here to the United States, here in Miami Beach there are quite a few Israelis illegally in the country who would do anything not to have to go back.

Israel as the Zionists have recreated it is an obscene combination of Vacation Bible Land for Christian and Jewish Tourists and an Apartheid and Fascist State built on lies, theft and violence, and whether some one supports it out of some misguided religious hocus pocus, some disgusting moral bankruptcy, or just some evil fascist desire makes absolutely no difference to me.

I am old enough to know better, well read enough to truly know better, moral enough to absolutely know better, and resolute enough to absolutely be better than the liars and idiots who make up this revisionist crap.

Shame on you.

For someone who cries about the holocaust you sure don't seem to have any objection to the one Zionists has visited on a people who did not one thing to them.


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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Dont let the ziotrolls get u bogged down in a battle of 'sources' and any of that other crap. They just do whatever they can to derail your point, with meaningless links. They know in their hearts they are evil. But their minds play tricks on them and let them beleive it is they who are just and right. When anyone with eyes can see the truth.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Dont let the ziotrolls get u bogged down in a battle of 'sources' and any of that other crap. They just do whatever they can to derail your point, with meaningless links. They know in their hearts they are evil. But their minds play tricks on them and let them beleive it is they who are just and right. When anyone with eyes can see the truth.


You can pretty much say that again, they commonly use these threads as just copy and paste platforms for revisionist history and defemation campaigns against anyone or anything that stands in their way.

We have seen the rabid and constant attempts at defamation in this thread by deliberately making up stories about poster(s) who oppose their revisionist history and one sided highly biased approach to the issues.

So if they have to make up lies and distortions about posters on ATS to try to make their arguments, what are the chances that they wouldn't be making up lies and distortions about their other 'enemies'?

Slim to none.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Porto’s posts are irrational and are based on nothing but his own delusional and ignorant opinions, he has not offered one piece of evidence. In the US we have a name for people like him. Usually its white people who live in a trailer park.

I wonder if he is going to teach his grandchildren to be as ignorant, hateful and racist as he is. If he does, they are destined to be as angry as he is, and live in the sidelines of our great society. America is changing for the better and our society does not tolerate racists like him anymore.

I hope people don’t take his words and racists thoughts and think it represents America, which is still the greatest country in the world. They are the minority here and we are working hard to pluck them out of our society and leave them far away where they cant do any harm. People like him are cowards and hide behind these websites, but wouldn’t dare to speak like this publicly.

Anyone with half a brain can read through his long meaningless and uneducated posts. He simply makes not sense so it’s useless to even write him. It’s like trying to argue with a child lacking intelligence.

In regards to the Middle East:
As an American I would choose the Israelis over the Palestinians any day. The Middle East is a # whole dominated by societies that are ruled by a religion that didn’t modernize or evolve in the past 400 hundred years.

It’s one of the only places on earth where you can disagree with the religion and still get your head cut off. I think that alone says enough.

Morally and ethically the Israelis are light years away from the Arab and Muslim countries that surround them, and any so called atrocities are simply because they have been demoralized as a society by living around violent and primitive cultures.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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In regards to the Middle East:
As an American I would choose the Israelis over the Palestinians any day. The Middle East is a # whole dominated by societies that are ruled by a religion that didn’t modernize or evolve in the past 400 hundred years.


There it is, the crux of the issue the religious bias, and the desire by those who practice it to want to define it as being only legitimate the way that they practice it.

Here we see this in the word ‘modernization’ of religion, the corruption of the priestly class with the elite conspiring to set the standards through a violent and domineering process.

Those who fail to adhere are the ones at fault is the warped thinking involved here. They are presumed to be the ones who are therefore a danger, leading to the doctrine of preemptive war.

All pathetically and thinly justified under this thinly veiled religious guise, which is in reality just about a core small group of people wanting to run the world and control it their way.

At any and all cost.

Spare me the fairy tales I can see clearly for myself what is going on.


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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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It’s funny that you don’t practice what you preach. If you read your last posts its very apparent where you stand when it comes to the Jews and Israel. You write long posts that don’t say much of anything but once in a while give us a glimpse of your true face. The face of an angry racist specifically to Jews and Israel.

The main corruption we are dealing with in our world is the corruption of the small minded and uneducated people who blame their life problems on society, the government, social elite and minority groups who are an easy target. While rarely looking at themselves in the mirror.
Very similar to drug addicts and criminals who blame everyone else but themselves.
It’s called “The victim theory” in psychology.

You sound like an angry old man that its easier for him to hide behind a Vail of a website then actually act on his opinions in real life. It seems that for you ATS is a place where you can take out your frustration and anger, and gather an audience of mostly young adults to feel good about yourself, but in reality have little affect on anyone here let alone any relevance to the world we live in.

Try walking in the street in the US and telling someone in person half of what you say here, and lets see the reaction you receive. You would loose your job in a heartbeat. So will your kids and grandchildren if this is what you preach to them.

You are a coward not only for hiding behind the website, but for not producing one piece of relevant evidence or logic to any one of your statements and arguments.

You have been served again.
Dracula Out

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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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lol you prefer the israelis to palestinians..on what basis, a moral or religeous one? They are the biggest religeous extremists out there. They have thrown people out of their homes, killed thousands of people, and you prefer them? What can i say to people like you, i really don't know lol.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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It’s funny that you don’t practice what you preach. If you read your last posts its very apparent where you stand when it comes to the Jews and Israel. You write long posts that don’t say much of anything but once in a while give us a glimpse of your true face. The face of an angry racist specifically to Jews and Israel.


Playing the race card again I see.




The main corruption we are dealing with in our world is the corruption of the small minded and uneducated people who blame their life problems on society, the government, social elite and minority groups who are an easy target. While rarely looking at themselves in the mirror.

Very similar to drug addicts and criminals who blame everyone else but themselves.
It’s called “The victim theory” in psychology.


You mean like being a 'victim' of a holocaust or a victim of a rocket or a victim of racism?




You sound like an angry old man that its easier for him to hide behind a Vail of a website then actually act on his opinions in real life. It seems that for you ATS is a place where you can take out your frustration and anger, and gather an audience of mostly young adults to feel good about yourself, but in reality have little affect on anyone here let alone any relevance to the world we live in.


You know you really are all over the map, one minute I am a redneck, the next minute I am a kid, the next minute I am an angry old man, the next minute...blah, blah, blah.

Clearly you are very frightened and concerned about the effect I have on people as you should be.

My opinion is highly regarded in many places and circles.




Try walking in the street in the US and telling someone in person half of what you say here, and lets see the reaction you receive. You would loose your job in a heartbeat. So will your kids and grandchildren if this is what you preach to them.


So you feel that one of the best defenses to trying to intimidate people is through insult and hopefully economic ruin.

So it's not that I am a victim, but you would like to see me a victim and my kids and my grand kids too!

Oh boy!




You are a coward not only for hiding behind the website, but for not producing one piece of relevant evidence or logic to any one of your statements and arguments.


Oh the macho man card! Macho, macho man, I want to be a macho man.




You have been served again.


Yes I am usually well served due to the high esteem and sometimes fear people have for me. In this case I am being served by what is it, six members of the Israeli Internet Defense Forces.

I really do rate more.




Dracula Out


You got banned again IAF101?

Anyway I am truly flattered, and I really appreciate the efforts that some people feel will serve them well, when it comes to...what is it you are trying to prove again?

That some people feel threatened by independent thought and those that make common sense and don't subscribe to the mainstream political and media programming?

That beyond jumping from one imagined idea and theory to the next about a person you fear that you have nothing relevant to say on the topic again.

That you have no independent sources of information or thoughts when it comes to this issue and that you are utterly incapable of impressing anyone but a dishonest group of politically and religiously inspired internet 'hit men'?

The truth is these threads are always the same when it comes to the Israeli Internet Defense Force, when the topic first happens and public opinion on a site like ATS does not serve you, you have to hang in there for days after the topic is no longer 'fresh' and as such is no longer 'noticed' to then invade it with the insults and propaganda that some misguided people and organizations imagine serve them well.

Where you preach to a small number or choir of people from that organization trying to pretend, which is all you are doing, that you didn't lose the public opinion battle when it counted and that 'average' people are agreeing with you.

Yet the truth is my original post to the thread was well recieved, in fact much better than any of your off topic insults afterwards.

I am pretty sure you are aware that the only reason a group would use such tactics is because they fear the truth of the things someone like me says.

So you haven't fooled anyone.

In the meanwhile you have all but admitted that the Israelis were responsible for the attack on the bus.

Or at the very least they are capable of it, because my friend, if you want to see my grand children and children punished to dominate and have your way, then you would see anyone's children and grand children punished to get what you want.

Thanks for proving who the real enemy is to freedom, peace and a real quality of life in this world.

People who think like you!



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by deadbang
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
 

I find the actions of the Palenstinians and Hamas to be cowardly. Hit and run tactics against indisciminate targets, women and children, the elderly. Why not put their big boy pants on and come out and fight?

Oh yeah, other than having no backbone, Israel would wipe the floor with all of it's neighbors, and every country in the region knows it. Ever wonder why Ahmadinejad doen't make good on his rhetoric and hyperbole? It isn't the U.S. that scares him.


I take it when you issue this challenge you are gona ensure equitable levels of armaments and training for both sides when they put on their big boy pants and fight for your enjoyment.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 08:30 AM
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I love it when people cry outrage when it happens to Palestinians..............

but when it happens to Israelis it MUST be a MOSAD operation , it has to be a hoax........

Also its horrible when innocent kids are killed in Palestine................

but when it happens to Israeli children , "i guess you shouldnt be sitting on land thats not yours"

Im sorry, but you people are starting to make me sick..........







 
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