reply to post by Illusionsaregrander
You just lost me.
This was not unexpected.
This isnt 1950 or 1960. The only commies left in the world worth discussing own America right now, thanks to the right AND left wing. (China)
And really, you are moving off into rhetoric land. Some discussions with some people are not worth having, and judging from the tag lines you use, Im
going to guess you have been fighting commies since before I was born.
Son, I'm only 22 years old.
You missed the point because you paid far too much attention to the trees and forgot you were in a forest.
I'm a small-government political conservative. While I'm no fan of abortion - I believe the government has no business getting involved. My
moral/religious conservatism is not allowed to rouse liberal government tendencies.
Sticking me into a room with members of the communist party (who do exist) will result in an argument resulting from an ideological disagreement that
cannot be resolved.
We are both people. Both vote in this country. We both have incredibly different views on what to do and entirely different wills for our
Starting to get the picture? There are communists in the U.S. - they have their own registered party. There are socialists in this country - the
majority of them affiliate with the Democrats. A number of my friends and I are equally disapproving of Obama - but some of them think he should have
pushed harder for government healthcare and other such things. While we both contribute to his low approval rating - we do so for very different, and
even opposing reasons.
Because of this - it is hard to tell what the "will of the people" actually is. I know what my will is. I know what the will of those I talk to
is. But I can't know the will of everyone in the town I live in, much less the state or country.
You, and people like you, are responsible for this mess. Those of us who are done playing cowboys and Indians are going to have to clean up
after you. I know you cant see why a third party would be useful. You just want someone to hate, and you like two parties. You dont have to think
much. Its Them and Us. With three, holy cow, you might have to use some intelligence to decide who to vote for!
Please do not try and put words and ideas into my mouth. I am far beyond your feeble intellect and don't even consider myself part of your petty
little existence. I'm about the most arrogant and conceited person you will ever run into, though you may not see it at first.
I have long been in support of a no-party system. Humans are simply not capable of it.
The average human intellect is incomplete and seeks to affiliate. Mine, and others like my own, are complete - or very close to it. We are virtually
immune to group-think and tend to find large clusters of people chanting the same thing to be quite insulting to our gene pool.
None the less - we recognize the usefulness of groups and affiliations and are more than willing to use them when necessary, and can recognize when
the power of these brainless fools called the average person exceeds the power of our individual bodies (people like myself comprise less than 0.1% of
the population - powerful as our intellect may be, we cannot ignore the tide of social action).
Your actions are collectively going to lead to instability and self-destruction. At which point, you don't need ideals that cannot be achieved, you
need a plan of action and execution thereof. Your desire to see a third party or a change of parties is commendable - but unrealistic and irrelevant.
The Tea Party holds power within the Republicans - an already conservative-heavy party. The Tea Party should be used to apply pressure on the
internal politics within the Republicans to produce more small-government conservative candidates for election by the people at large, and pressure
the existing Republican offices to push harder on small-government reforms.
A third party is simply not realistic. What's the difference between a Republican and a Libertarian? Or a Libertarian and a Constitutionalist?
It'd be great if all of them held relatively equal power. They don't. And likely never will. You can either recognize that fact and plan around
it, or you can sit there in denial. None of them hold enough power to be able to address the current problems in our system within a practical amount
Once we've resolved the current issues and have a balanced budget - sure, by all means - start trying to push third parties into power. If you can
make it work - it will lead to a far more stable system.