Originally posted by coastalite
...Fast forward to 2008. There was mass psychosis. We saw people literally fainting at BO's campaign rallies, like he was some kind of rock star on tour. People haven't fainted like that since the days of the Beatles first tour of America. I've never seen people get so worked up over a politician, especially a politician with such a questionable and unknown background. The media was with him lock-step and got him elected. They did NOT do any vetting at all. It was almost as if half the country had been placed under a hypnotic trance. Unfortunately, a lot of them are still under that trance, but many, like the OP, are finally starting to snap out of it....

coastalite, it was very strange -- otherwise intelligent people were completely taken in by someone who to me was a transparent fraud (the only transparent thing about Obama). This is when I lost all trust in the Liberal media, it was so obvious that they were dishonest -- they pimped Obama so hard, it was clear they were instructed to.

AuranVector

Yeah, I was hornswoggled, too. Though I still maintain that we're better under Obama than we would've been under McCain. We're only warring against 3 nations now. With McCain it would likely have been substantially more.

/TOA

The last 2.5 years have been painful at best, and hopeless at worst. They've ushered in a new phase of apathy. Hope is gone. I have lost hope that that the United States can remain a shining city on a hill.

Obama has succeeded in convincing American's that they are no longer exceptional, they are to blame for the state of the Union, and they better just adapt because it's not getting any better.

The only Change that has been ushered in is one of lost hopes.

I have been voting since 1968. In all of those votes, I have only voted the winning ticket three times. That's three of eleven, about 30%. Of those three I was not proud of one. Nor was I happy with most of my losing votes. Only three have I had pride in.

I am sorry so many had their hopes dashed by Obamas record. I had no hope in him but voted for him only to support the hope of those who did. To help them see that even their hero would fall short of doing anything good within this monstrous system.

If we have learned, as you say , from Obama that Americans are not exceptional then I think this is good, because we have not been so for a long time. What we have been, is manipulated into believing that we are, so that our over inflated hubris could be used against us to keep us blind and impotent while our democracy was stolen from us.

If we have learned, as you say, from Obama that we are to blame for the state of the union then I think this is also good. We are to blame because we have been sheep for too long. We have accepted with little question, the promises of politicians, the voracious appetites fed to us by the advertising industry, the sensibilities of lowest common denominator entertainment and the morals of blind faith and hypocrisy. Blame who ever we wish, point them out and hold them accountable. But we must also hold ourselves accountable, for we have wallowed in the sewer of their making.

If we have learned, as you say, from Obama that we need to adapt and that things are not going to get better then I think this is very good. The whole world is changing before our very eyes. The climate is changing, populations are moving, economies are crumbling and morphing, technology is exploding, weapons are graduating and like it or not the world is moving inexorably towards a global system of oligarchical tyranny. Adapt? You bet we'd better adapt because it's NOT going to get better for a long time. We must adapt and discover for ourselves how to live in a world controlled by a small group of brain dead and inbreeding Neanderthals.

And if we have lost hope it is because we have hoped for the wrong things. Things they taught us to hope for. Things the liars would promise us. Ideas provided by the dull-witted. And dreams the used car salesmen could sell us. I say best gone to those hopes.

Let's find our own way. Let's dream and find hope together, shall we?

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Baldwin also said he was leaving the country to live in Canada if G.W. Bush was elected. He didn't move though. That aside, where is Baldwin getting his info from? Is he not aware of the 2011 budget? The health care spending? The "stimulus" program? The raises for federal workers? I can't believe the matter which spews from the leathery anus that we call his lips. Baldwin, as usual, remains a moron.

So many of these celebs are morons, why does anyone take their opinion about politics seriously? Actors are professional exhibitionists who can only flourish if lots of people like them. How creepy is that? These are people who will sell their souls to be popular, to get a laugh or to get applause. Shallow, empty people who have to fill themselves up with approval from others or they can't survive. And yet we live in a celeb-worshipping culture.

The glamorous political people (like the Kennedys) endorsed Obama. So you have the trendy celebs scramble on board that bandwagon to be cool. "Image is everything." It's a joke. Do most of these celebs really understand or care about the issues that face this country or its "small" people? I doubt it.

AuranVector

Originally posted by TerryMcGuire

...If we have learned, as you say, from Obama that we are to blame for the state of the union then I think this is also good. We are to blame because we have been sheep for too long. We have accepted with little question, the promises of politicians, the voracious appetites fed to us by the advertising industry, the sensibilities of lowest common denominator entertainment and the morals of blind faith and hypocrisy. Blame who ever we wish, point them out and hold them accountable. But we must also hold ourselves accountable, for we have wallowed in the sewer of their making.

If we have learned, as you say, from Obama that we need to adapt and that things are not going to get better then I think this is very good. The whole world is changing before our very eyes. The climate is changing, populations are moving, economies are crumbling and morphing, technology is exploding, weapons are graduating and like it or not the world is moving inexorably towards a global system of oligarchical tyranny. Adapt? You bet we'd better adapt because it's NOT going to get better for a long time. We must adapt and discover for ourselves how to live in a world controlled by a small group of brain dead and inbreeding Neanderthals....

There's a lot I agree with in your post. But I must object to your "a world controlled by a small group of brain dead and inbreeding Neanderthals." The Global Elite as Neanderthals? Really, is that a kind way to remember the Neanderthals who were so ruthlessly wiped out?

The world is controlled by a small group of morally dead, short-sighted, pathologically selfish, devolved, inbreeding Cro-Magnons who are hellbent on forcing their will on this planet and its inhabitants.

But all their selfish finagling will backfire on them eventually. I still believe in Karma. All the money in the world will not save them from the forces they've unleashed.

AuranVector

I wonder if the ONLY silver lining of this presidency is that the population seems to finally be waking from the slumber. The Tea Party may be a bit over-inflated and commercialized now, but it did exist and influence politics.

Ron Paul has been a fringe guy for a long time, but he's getting play.

Trump is even talking about a Presidential run... Maybe Obama has shown that the job is
"So easy a caveman can do it".??

great thread, star and flag for you!

I'm not American but my father is so I've listen to him babble about politics since I was a child and now that I'm older I've grown my own interests in American Politics. As a white 18 year old kid working at Footlocker at the time, I must say that when I spoke out about Obama the hate I received from my coworkers was expected. Man, some heated arguments after hours during clean up, I literally almost got into a couple fist fights with some coworkers just because of how ignorant they were. Their only defence was that I was a racist because I said many people will be voting for Obama simply because he's black and also because of his campaign and the intigration of pop music (will.i.am anyone?) which was all just a ruse. All my coworkers when I asked them why they would vote for Obama if they couldn't even give an intelligent, reasonable response. Just the same rhetoric being blurted out by the media that "he's a new hope" and that he represents "change" and all the while nobody could say one thing when I asked what his policies were.

but as the saying goes: being a sheep brings bordom, being a wolf brings loneliness

Did you actually expect him to fix all of our problems in one 4yr term? How naive are you, it took way longer than that to get us into this mess.

And *gasp* he actually said you don't have a right to complain about gas when you drive a gas guzzling behemoth? The man calls for accountability and you get offended?

Obama didn't drive this country into the ground, we did, through inaction, complacency, and only looking out for our own self interest instead of looking at the big picture. Nothing in this world happens in a vacuum, yet everyone wants to pretend that it does. Before obama we had bush, who managed to turn the entire world against us after we had all of their support following 9/11...say what you will about bush, that takes serious talent. Before bush was clinton, who spent practically his entire 2 terms in scandal. And before clinton you had bush sr.and reagan who basically gave this country to the corporations.

But in the end you know who's fault it really is?

OURS, the american people are to blame because we let it all happen right in front of our faces with no more protest than the slightest of whimpers.

Man up, take responsibility for your actions, or at least quit placing the blame on others. Now take your hummer home tonight, pick up some mcdonalds slop(with the free apple pie), park the sob in your mcmansion driveway, take your viagra, screw your plastic surgery wife after she takes her painpill/cocktail combo, watch your"reality" shows, and then wake up in the morning to go find someone else to blame for your problems.

I couldn't have expressed my own frustrations better than you just have good sir/ma'am. S&F for you. I am an Alabama moderate democrat as well, and recently i have been longing for the good ole days of the Bush and Clinton admins.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s

It was like choosing between a feces milkshake and a tumble with a aging, syphilitic whore.

I choose....The feces milkshake!........no. no...the old syphilitic whore!...argh!...I can't decide!!

Honestly...it is easy to say that "The Powers that Be" are responsible for our lack of good choices, but that honest place inside of us knows it is us.

We keep the discussion centered on BS and not real issues and the media feeds us what we ask for.

What honest, good hearted, brilliant man or woman would step forward into the hurricaine of BS and run for President?

The term "grass-roots campaign" was a laughable concept 5 years ago and since then it has elected one President and so threatened another party that they frantically hijacked the grass-roots movement that appeared in their own ranks.

If there is an answer to the cycle...I expect it will be found there. Someone emerging without roots in either party and backed by the frustrated masses. Let's hope I live long enough to see it.

And BTW ...I have a hard time taking an OP seriously when they cite the Enquirer and CSN News. I vet all of my news sources these days, there is just too much BS out there to survive otherwise.

Nice ..it took you 2.5 years ... how many time will be need for milions who will elect Obama for 2nd time ?

Thankfully, I went with my gut instead of my brain at the very last second at the booth. I toiled over whether to vote Obama or Paul all the way to the voting station. I was definitely taken in by the motto of "change". Obama seemed like a breath of fresh air, but in my gut, I knew that something was off. I got into the booth, picked up my pencil, and it hovered over the box next to Obama. In the same instant that my pencil lowered to mark that "Obama" box, it quickly wrote in "Ron Paul".

I couldn't be more happier with my last second decision. And that "off" feeling I had? I later realized it was because we were never really told what that "change" would be. I just projected everything I would like to see change onto Obama and figured that is what he was going to do in office. I think that is what everyone did. It was probably the intention. Turns out, none of it changed and the things I wanted changed only got worse.

To all who voted for Barry...thanks for not listening to the people who tried to warn you and thanks for falling under his spell. You got what you paid for...and the rest of us have to live with it.

And yeah, the other option was not any better...so it was a no win situation.