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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
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Anyone who thinks Obama is a 'radical leftist' isnt paying attention.

And anyone who is still harping on a few grossly out-of-context lines from Reverend Wright is clearly carrying water for the FOX GOP contingent. God damn America for a hypocritical foreign policy? God damned right!


No sorry buddy, Sara is correct about POTUS. He has been steeped his whole life in radical Marxism, from his grandparents and their friend Frank Marshall Davis, to his relationships to his buddies Bill Ayers, and cmon look who he appoints as czars. Van Jones is an avowed communist. Anita Dunn famously told students Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher. Cass Sunstein thinks bloggers are out of control and must be controlled and wants to regulate free speech(that shouldnt be hard to see through). John Holdren, well he's just plain evil and wants to depopulate us down to what about 500 million I think, and believes it is ok to do it through mass medication of the water supplies(that's just downright diabolical). I mean, cmon, do you think any of these people have any remotely conservative values?
But if truth be told, the right is now kinda left.
Let's get back to the Constitution shall we...
edit on 10-4-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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In must democracies it is all the same: six months before the elections they tell a lot of beautiful things and then they do 4 years what they want. I think that one of the few places in the world where there is a “full democracy” would be Switzerland, where politicians always have to ask the people (by referendum) for important political decisions. I don’t say that it is wise to base all decisions on referendum, but some really important decisions that effect the people's daily lifes should be based on a referendum. It is the only way that politicians really have to listen to the people. Then you get a real democracy. And not a faken one.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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What I really don't understand, is that if any of you who voted for Obama would have spent an hour doing research about his credentials you would have easily seen he absolutely had NO executive experience whatsoever!!!! he got to the senate via the dirty corrupt chicago political machine.

I am no Sarah Palin fan, but in contrast she has extensive executive experience by serving as the Alaska governor. And not only did she serve she actually did a great job! She took on the big oil tycoons and somehow won without being killed.

So when I heard the media saying that she had no experience I was thinking how could they even say that! A bold faced lie. Barry was the one with no experience.

Also red flags should have gone up when you see this guy spends millions, even to this day, to hide every aspect of his past.

I just didn't get how anyone could have thought this guy would be a good president.
seriously how the hell were you guys fooled!?!

the only thing he proved was they he could read from a teleprompter. without his teleprompter the guy is totally lost and sounds like he has below average intelligence. its really sad.

i actually gave up on the people of this country when obama got elected. i just can't believe how easily people are fooled. i had much hope for this country but now I see the people, truly are sheeple and get the government they deserve.

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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Yeah, I reluctantly voted for him because I decided to give the whole two party system one last go around. I'm voting for Nader, Cynthia McKinney, whoever runs for the Communists or heck, even Bob Barr the next time around.

That being said, I don't blame Obama. He is exactly what I voted for. A typical Democratic President. All the election time rhetoric...all the in-office corporate capitulation.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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What do you expect when the Republican party throws out their typical distractors? I mean, Bill Ayers??? If Obama really had links to Bill Ayers or that fiery Black minister, I would have at least expected some serious Marxist policies or Liberation Theology to be implemented at some point in the last 2 years or so.

I mean, it doesn't take long to look at that hot mess that goes for a single-payer program to see that if we were to Plot Obama on any sort of social continuum, he would not be anywhere near Socialist or Marxist, perhaps closer to Fascist. I'll give the Republican base that one, even though they seem to skirt the meaning of the word and jump right to the "Socialist" part of Nazi.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Didn't he also say he was going to close Guantanamo Bay within weeks of taking office? Yet now he is happy to let some 9/11 suspects be tried there? Hell, he could get me to admit my guilt if I was tried there.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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In spite of voting for Obama or not, he was in because THEY wanted him in.

We know how computers can be manipulated---- any suggestions?

what if no one voted in the next election?

A dumb question, but what is the answer? Are the results already being tabulated for 2012?



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by furono
Everybody is wrong to let this go on like it is, this dumb two party system gives us the lesser of two evils every time.


This system gives us the lesser of two evils because the American voter is lazy and stupid, and looks only to the talking heads in their living room to make all their decisions for them. This is not just directed at you, but you want the system to change? Stop relying on the elitist-controlled TV networks to "inform" you. Get off your butt and research alternatives to the criminals that the mass media presents as legitimate candidates. Yes, it takes work, but freedom and knowledge don't just happen. No effort, no choice.

As for the two party system, that will never change until EVERYONE stops buying into the Republicrat scam that voting for anyone else is a "wasted vote".
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posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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Bush's election fraud only succeeded because the election was so close. If there is ever a candidate that looks like a clear winner, then voter fraud won't work. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I would go so far as to suggest that the two parties manipulate the campaigns to purposely cause the popularity of both parties to be close, in order to serve the purpose of fraud.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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As a Canadian, I can't really take the guilt of voting for Obama, and I don't think I saw him in the way the masses did ie. throwing panties, swooning, crying. I saw him as I see every politician, with suspicion.

I do believe, like all who enter the "inner circle" of presidents and other world leaders, he was "woken up" to the real agenda, which is One World Government. His choice at that point was to either get on board by quickening the decline of the US as World Power to usher in the future of the Global Agenda. He is a pawn, and really there is Sweet F-All he can do at this point, other than watch the destruction of your Constitution, and the rewriting of same.

Of course, I could be completely wrong....

Added note: I will admit I do not understand your voting system, with the Electoral College and all that. Up here in the GWN, they at least give you the idea your vote matters, as we do have more than a two party system, which is another delusion of democracy, but I appreciate the sentiment. At least I have the option to throw my vote by voting for the Marijuana party...lol.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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The party and electoral college problems are exactly why the American people will never be in control. You nailed it with that one. What's worse is they don't even seem to care that we know anymore. That's the part that scares me: they are no longer pretending to pander to voters... they are doing things completely counter to what the popular polls say we want.

That tells me that the days of pretending are over and we are coming to a very polarized fork in the road.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew
I believed that between Bush's two terms and Clinton's two terms America had become so entrenched in special interest politics that there was zero chance for us to pull out of the tail spin without making a dramatic move.


I think you assesment was accurate.



I thought Obama really was going to bring Hope to the people and Change to Washington.


I think he did in fact bring hope and change...just in dramatically lessor quantities than some empashioned folks expected.

If you were expecting a savior and instead got a politician, then no offense, you deserved the dissapointment.

What you didn't get was a President that gleefully sang "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, ....Bomb Iran!" and a "you betcha" VP who proudfully admits that even being the Govenor of Alaska was too much for her.

It seems there is going to be lots of nonsense and revisionist history leading up to 2012.

It would be great to see relevant punches thrown at Pres. Obama...It's part of our democracy, but what I am seeing leading up to 2012 thus far is...He's not our savior and he was born in Kenya...do real issues intimdate folks that much?



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by canadiansenior70
In spite of voting for Obama or not, he was in because THEY wanted him in.


I disagree. THEY didn't particularly care whether it was Obama or McCain, in my opinion.

Think about politics and the way it works. You don't get very far without a grassroots team and a whole lotta money. A lot of the money comes from individuals, but even more from corporate donors. And it probably won't come as much of a surprise to learn the corporations fund both sides.

No, I don't think the outcome is predetermined at all, unless you mean by predetermined that every major political party candidate had to already sell their soul to get where they are. That, I'll consider. It doesn't even have to be EVERY candidate for national office, just enough of them.

And that's where it gets insidious. I don't believe it works by predetermining winners at all. I think it works by gaming the system enough so it doesn't matter who wins. Think back to the presidential election of 2004, which was an extreme example. A Yale Bonesman was winning that one, no matter who it was.

In 2008, it was either wild-card Obama, or "Maverick" McCain. At this point, looking back over the past 2+ years, did it really matter who won?

It could've been McCain, Obama, Hillary, Kucinich, Richardson, Huckabee, Dodd, Edwards...

And on the BIG things that THEY care about (which affect us all) I don't think it matters a damn bit who wins. No, the elections aren't foregone conclusions, because they don't have to be.

.02.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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I'll vote for him again just because any of the other people who are running wont really be worth a damn. Other than that you just cant vote for president and not vote anymore. You have to be a constant voter through all the bills, laws, changes etc. So to put the blame on one guy is just inconsiderate. Whooooohooooo Obama for another 4 years!! woot woot!



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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Hey, it's okay. He had a lot of people fooled in a evil way. EVERYONE wanted "Change." But, they're ALL the same. Ron Paul isn't.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Hey look, idiotic pandering gets flagged and starred!


You do realize that nobody seemed to bother to account for how much Bush Jr spent on his trips, right? Hell, they even kept his wars off the books. How much did that Segway he crashed cost? I mean, last I checked those things each cost $5-10k each.

No, this is all an attempt to needlessly besmirch a head of state for doing what heads of state do, which is live a quite obscene life. His comments about fuel economy? They're *insert a stream of embellishing profanity here* brilliant. People are complaining about the cost of gas when they have a relatively low price to pay (I pay about 3-4 times what you pay at the pump) because they drive inefficient monstrosities. Do people really need to be going about their morning commute with a V8 engine? Is there really any benefit to packing in to a big ol' SUV? My dad decided to get himself a car that could carry around some stuff, including his new kayak, yard waste, plenty of stuff...and it still gets between 35-40mpg! This isn't impossible, it's called buying a sensible car.


Obama isn't the best president, but he's frankly not the worst nor is he any particular exception in terms of spending.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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What I find funny and disturbing is how Obama is still portrayed as being some sort of left-wing radical. I wish! I'm not a left-wing radical but there clearly needs to be a counter balance to the "corporatization" of this country and Obama sure as hell hasn't been that guy. He's done some good things and he's been ineffective or failed to take a stand on other issues.

What's really disturbing to me is how someone who is essentially a centrist like Obama is continually portrayed as a left-wing radical socialist. The political landscape, aided by corporations, corrupt politicians and the MM has shifted to where anyone that is even a centrist is portrayed as left-wing it seems. There are virtually no real Liberals left in politics except for someone like Bernie Sanders.

With that being said I'll be somewhat begrudgingly voting for Obama again simply for the fact that the Republicans offer virtually no solutions for anyone that isn't rich in this country.

The whole system is rigged, though and I'm not sure my vote will really matter that much at this point. The OP may be right but what was the alternative?



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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I am as you are, greatly disappointed. What's worse is my choices are even more limited.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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I was not voting for experience I was voting for decency. After the Bush crime syndicate I thought it was needed.



posted on Apr, 11 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Awwwwwwwww.
Well gee, here is the pat on the head you're looking for.....**Pat**Pat**






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