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It's Finally Time to Admit I Was Dead Wrong...

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posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 03:08 PM
reply to post by hawaii50th

Let me explain: The Republican Party no longer represents the true core values of real conservatives, that is, smaller and less intrusive govt, individual liberties, low taxes, growth of private sector and free enterprise. Instead it has acquiesced to the same silly policies of bloated, over-controlling big government nanny-state type fiscal policies and even some social engineering. This is why there was such a big focus on spending in the Tea Party movement, we are and have been spending way too much. Which brings me to my next point: which is that if anyone has been following the budget process this year, the govt has botched it big time and it should be evident that the more govt tries to control, the less real control it has. It must fail because Socialism/communism doesn't work. Big spending liberals need to finally get the lesson of the failure of the Soviet Union with regard to the centralized control of the means of production, which is what communism is. It's a failed system and has never worked anywhere. Now we see the incompetence and inability to just get a budget. It should be obvious, big govt is a failed system.
Now, the program of big spending in Congress(in a bi partisan way here) is to print money for whatever they want and cannot get in taxes. Look at the original Boston Tea Party. Do people realize how much more in taxes the individual pays today than even the original Colonists rebelled against? They were a far more independent group of people than we are today. They all had guns because they were still hunters for food. They had plantations, and every day was a possible life and death situation in such a wild environment.
So now we allow the printing of money by the Fed, which devalues the dollar, which in turn drives up inflation, which in turn causes people to feel that they don't have enough and then the big spenders say, see we need to increase the minimum wage. Then the Unions will go to the bargaining table and demand higher wages and benefits to be paid for by the taxpayers.
Tea Partiers are saying enough of this madness. And remember people are still figuring out what's going on here, and T Partiers represent a segment of awakened Americans. Many are Ron Paul supporters, but the ones who are not still need to figure out some of this process of how the Fed destroys our currency. Ron Paul still seems a little over the edge to some people, but I think as people wake up they will see how right he is about many things.
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posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 03:31 PM
As much as I want to feel sympathy for all of you who were fooled, its hard, because for some of us it was so god damned obvious.

You can paint your car any color you want, put different emblems even, it may look new and even fool some people. But, every important component that makes that car actually operate will be the same, and slowly getting worse.

Why dont we take Obama's advice and just trade in for something new?

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 03:34 PM
reply to post by RobertAntonWeishaupt

Zactly! What do our dear leaders do? Get us into a protracted war in Afghanistan, and now Libya. It's insanity. Do you know how the Rothschilds got rich back in the 1700's? They made money as couriers during the Napoleonic wars. They knew everything that was happening, they had all the intel. In other words, they had insider trading. Our dear leader somehow is set to make 85 million from the BP disaster.
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posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 03:56 PM

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I am seeing alot of general "I voted for obama for hope and change". now, here is where the suspicion grows...they never say an issue or two they voted for.

I am calling several out here as wolves disguised as sheep..yep, liars.

oh sure...I was a long term dem, then I thought bush would be good, so I voted for him...boy was I bush voters sure got duped...lets not do that again, lesson learned.

total fabrication...I never voted for bush, and many of you "I voted for obama for both hope and change" didn't vote for obama either..bunch of bad acting liars. If you are interested in moderately liberal ideas and ideals, you voted for obama...if your a conservative, you voted for mccain..the only way to even slightly believe some of you is to think "oh, maybe they did vote for hope and change..just hope and clue what the issues were, they just voted for two keywords...why? because they really are =that= stupid."

If your a lib, your a bit upset that several things are yet unresolved after 2 years, but pleased in some things that were finally regulations, healthcare, dadt, etc...

ATS is a good board, but with nonsense pushed on here by some of you, I am embarassed to be even taking part in this board with all these lying shills. Its intellectually insulting and is trying to sink the debate down to the most apelike nonsense out there. I prefer the "hows that hope and change working out for ya" crap the neocons least they weren't pretending to be something they simply don't understand.

You can tell yourself anything you want - bottom line is that I voted for Obama in two parts:
1. I believed him when he said he'd bring transparency to government and an end to special interest lobbiest run policies.
2. McCain as the Repub candidate just pissed me off.

You still support him and buy the line that the "system is keeping him from doing his job".. fine, but don't call everyone liars because they don't believe the charade any more.
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posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 03:57 PM

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
As much as I want to feel sympathy for all of you who were fooled, its hard, because for some of us it was so god damned obvious.

You can paint your car any color you want, put different emblems even, it may look new and even fool some people. But, every important component that makes that car actually operate will be the same, and slowly getting worse.

Why dont we take Obama's advice and just trade in for something new?

Agree totally, and your analogy is a good one.

It really pi$$es me off too, that there are so many ill-informed people who think a POTUS election is like voting on American Idol.

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:00 PM

Originally posted by metaldave
Apology NOT accepted. you are part of the problem/reason I, as a REAL American, cannot move forward as I was so happily doing so until this freak was elected. All you had to do was pick up one of his books & read a few chapeters, to find out who this douche was really about. But no. You couldn't even do that. Live long and suffer Mother F*#c*r.
Thanks man...NOT!
Don't rest in hell...

Hmmm, interesting response. Who did you vote for? Did you vote? Why can you not spell? Why do you cuss so much? Do you condemn everyone you encounter that makes a mistake?

The good news is that Obama has been so ineffectual there really isn't anything he's done that can't be undone. Obamacare can be swept away - and quickly. It's not even funded yet.

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:03 PM

Originally posted by randyvs

Ok yoo were wrong. I don't think you know why you wrong. How could you have been right? There isn't any way to be right. The best you could hope for was to avoid being wrong. A vote for the other guy wouldn';t have been right. How could voting for the loser be right? So what to do ?

This is the real problem isn't it...

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:25 PM
Now if you could just get a Bush voter to admit anything......

then maybe we'd be getting some objectivity and intelligence from both sides
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posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:35 PM
reply to post by gncnew

I'm sure you're not the only to regret having voted for Obama. The problem here is the system. Yea, it's called a democracy, but it should in fact be called mediocracy. That's because we don't vote in anyone of any significant intelligence to solve any real problem. The people that we have to pick from and vote for are those that had money to finance a campaign.

So with last election, can you imagine if the republicans McCain and Milf were elected? Because of that nonsense, I think people had no choice to vote for Obama. But he himself sucks too.

Enjoy the system that should be called mediocracy. Hopefully one day we will institute the process known as geniocracy.

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:43 PM

Originally posted by RobertAntonWeishaupt

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by RobertAntonWeishaupt
First off, I need to say that I am in a similar boat to you with regards to regretting my choice in '08. Though I fail to see how McCain would have been any better and we were, as ever, the third party candidates would never be allowed to win.

That said, I have to take exception to this line above. Americans should not believe that they are universally and automatically "exceptional". America is a nation. Just like any other. A nation that had evolved steadily into one of tremendous personal freedoms, cultural vibrancy, technological innovation and financial power.

See that's just it. America is exceptional... A vast majority of the last 200 years in invention and innovation came from this country because of what it's built upon:
-Free men and women working for their dreams and aspiration with no limits imposed by religion, race, or creed.

I'm a Robert Anton Wilson fan. My understanding of "American Exceptionalism" is that the US is exceptional in the way our country was FOUNDED. Our country was founded by exceptional men. It was the great experiment in government designed by brilliant men.

The US was also exceptional at the end of WWII: it was the only major country left standing with with it's mainland untouched -- factories, farms and cities (and mainland military bases) UNTOUCHED by bombs. That meant the US had an enormous advantage over every other major country in the world in re-building its wealth to fund the most powerful military in the world.

Unfortunately, this lead to the creation of the "Ugly American" -- the arrogant, insensitive American who took "American Exceptionalism" to mean HE was exceptional, just by virtue of being an American citizen.

I'm really worried that Obama will be re-elected in 2012. Because the anti-Obama voters are so fractured, they will scatter their votes over too many different candidates, instead of consolidating their support behind someone who can defeat Obama. I suspect this may be the gameplan of the Global Elite (Global Communitarians) to keep their Obama puppet in office.

Despite the fact that the candidates (who have a chance of winning) have already been chosen by the GE, I think it does make some difference who is POTUS.


posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:52 PM
Left wing, right wing - it doesn't matter. Both sides are controlled by the financial elite. Politicians are their puppets.

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Drew99GT

Originally posted by badgrammaman
everyones vote was a waste of time the result was in before anyone cast a vote.

Yup. On the big issues of war and peace, and especially commerce and finance, ANY president would be doing the exact same things as Barry Soetoro (Ron Paul included, I'm afraid - JFK was shot dead for doing the right thing). He takes orders for the multi-national corporations and banks just like the rest of them...

...The only thing that will truly change things and bring back real true libertarian freedom is if people rise up, especially US military members. I support them 100%, but lets face it. They're mercenaries for western multinational corporations and British controlled banks and they will be ordered to fire on their own citizens if Marshal Law were ever to be enacted when people wake up to the shadow tyrannical government that controls them.
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Martial Law -- "Martial" derived from Mars, the God of War. So many people make the same mistake on ATS. Maybe they're confusing the "martial law" with the "Marshall Plan" (named after General Marshall and implemented in post-WWII Europe).


posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:55 PM
Wow, I didn't realize that so many of the American ATS members believe in the pantomime we refer to as politics. Republican this, democratic that. Wake the hell up!

@OP: Sure, you realized you were wrong for investing faith in Obama as POTUS but when will you realize that politics is equally illusory?

If an enemy of yours is flame-throwing your community to cinders, would you pick up the flame-thrower to combat him only to inadvertently incinerate the community you're trying to save?

Personally, I'd substitute the flame-thrower for a long range weapon. To apply the analogy, politicians and government need to be replaced by sovereign independent states, local representation and rigorous obsessive evaluations and audits to detect internal corruptions.

If sheep could speak and conspire their freedom, wouldn't it seem naive of them debating which breed of sheep-dog best represents them? The sheep-dog, regardless of breed, herds the sheep on behalf of his human master.

The sheep represents us, the dog's breed represents his political affiliation and the human master represents oligarchies.

Two golden spontaneous analogies. One message. Wake the hell up!

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 04:59 PM
It's about time people are starting to "open" their eyes to what is ACTUALLY happening.

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 05:03 PM

Originally posted by DCPatriot

It really pi$$es me off too, that there are so many ill-informed people who think a POTUS election is like voting on American Idol.

I suspect a number of the Obama supporters were poorly educated, naive kids.

"Obama's a kewl doode cuz sez so."

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 05:44 PM
You cant put the failures of this country on one man! All the politicians are to blame for everything that happens around us, they bicker, fight, slander and blackmail one another so that there own agenda can be part of the pie thats passed out. They all have there own intrests and ideas, this is what happens when people with power get greedy. Its checks and balances having 3 freekin kids that whine about what the other has. Its it totally pathetic and wrong. If for once they put aside there privite agendas and TRIED to do some GOOD for the AMERICAN people then they might actually get some work done.

Im not saying Obama has no hand in this, he sure does and now hes up to his neck in it. ALL of those hypocrits WE put in office are to blame. If the politicians did not want our men and women at war then they would not be. Its that simple black and white as plain as day. If they wanted to pass a budget and progress the Govt then they would. America we need to stand up for ourselfs and say enough is enough, just think what would the US do if 30 million people started to protest in washington about all the BS that goes on. Maybe thats what we need, a good old fashion uprising. We have been spit on and treated like a red headed step child, we have the right to let them know how we feel, and our consitution states that.

We are America not those idiots that think they can pull the wool over our eyes and play us for fools.

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 06:31 PM
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Very well put and said.
I believe Ron Paul would be the way to go, time for drastic change. If Ron Paul does happen to make it, he will need every once of support from the people. To change a system that has gotten so ingrained to what it is will take a lot of hard work to change. It will be like trying to get a wheel that's been rusted and seized up for a hundred years to spin smoothly and quietly again.

Good post.

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 07:41 PM
Hey I am looking for my change. I think I might have left it around here SOMEWHERE. Has anyone seen it anywhere? Maybe it is under the couch? Let me check and see if I left it in the limo BRB! Not there either. Is it in Afghanistan? Maybe Iraq? IDK Oh well I am SURE we will find that pesky change in another 4 years...we will have PLENTY of time to look for it!

posted on Apr, 8 2011 @ 07:58 PM
Very good report,I,couldn't say it any better. You see,I,have been a democrate,for a long time.But in 2008,I,voted republican. Now I, VOTE MY BIBLE. I,have come to terms,none of them are doing right. Lets see what happens in 2012. It has been a bad 2.5 years. Thank you for your report.

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