It's Finally Time to Admit I Was Dead Wrong...

Originally posted by gncnew

“If you’re complaining about the price of gas and you’re only getting 8 miles a gallon, you know,” Obama said laughingly. “You might want to think about a trade-in.” Read more: www.heraldnews.com...

Herald News

What? As you fly your family around the world on extravagant vacations playing the little prince - we should think about trade-ins? I thought you were going to bring we middle-lower class Americans a new age of prosperity? I thought you were going to rebalance the American wealth? I thought you were going to close the gap of the have's and have-nots?

Instead, you've told us "get used to it and trade in... sorry". Are you trading in? Is Washington taking pay cuts like most of America? Are you limiting your family's travel and spending?

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ummmmmmm is it just me or did the original poster totally misinterpret MR. Obama's quote. He was saying DON't complain about gas prices when you drive a 70's truck that get's 1 mile / gallon!!!!! Trade in a get a more FUEL efficient truck. He wasn't saying just trade in to get a NEW car. It was toward all the people complaining, but not helping by using less gas. (not about the money)

Get over yourself, He's one of the best presidents since JFK. You're just mad, because he actually thinks through his problems, rather than a quick knee jerk reaction like Bush.

peace.

Originally posted by Grumble
reply to post by Question Fate

 

Well said.

I think this thread is disinformation. I do not think someone who would have voted for Obama would express the sort of sentiments I see here.

Here is the real deal: Obama IS a disappointment, but it is largely because he failed to overcome insurmountable odds, which would have required exceptional leadership (which we have not seen in any president since before I was born). He inherited the wars and the financial crisis/lousy economy. The Repubs have been systematically bankrupting the country since Saint Reagan was elected, so what was Obama supposed to do? Force austerity to balance the budget, thus throwing the world into a massive, painful depression? Or keep the ball rolling, hoping to slowly inch away from the coiled snake that confronts us? I will take the latter, thank you.

Furthermore, he has been hamstrung in his efforts by the Repubs, who are your only real alternative in the voting booth. For example, his single payer healthcare system would have provided us the control necessary to actually limit healthcare costs while also being much more equitable to ALL the people of the country. It would have saved us hundreds of billions, but those hundreds of billions currently go to line the pockets of the outrageously profitable private healthcare companies, so naturally the Repubs prevented change from occurring. So what we get is a bizarre new law no one is happy with, except for the greedos who run that industry.

So do what you want, but know that Obama's failures are really the failures of his opposition, and that if you don't like the way we are heading now, it will be ten times worse with the GOP controlling all three branches of government. if that happens we will learn what it means to be poor.

Why is it that after reading your post, it reminds me of King Solomon's decision over a paternity suit, of spliting up a live child into half so that each mother gets half. While the false mother is appeased, the true mother gave up her suit so that the child may at least live, if not with her?

With the way the tea party are screaming for gov to shut down in order to demand a $100 billion cuts, not in military spending or bailouts for banksters and corporations, but for social expenditure for the American People, it is a horror as the scales drop from one's eyes on whom are the false mothers......

I also must admit that I voted for Obama as a long time republican. Not that I believed all the things he stated, but for once he had done what no other had by getting common everyday people who pay the taxes excited about politics.

He got the minority out and learning about the issues. He said all the right things, end the war, lobbyist were going to be dismantled, the federal reserve was going to be held accountable, and he was going to any oil over $80.00 a barrel. He was going to protect the Middle Class from the raping we get, and he was going to improve the economy. Universal Healthcare

Not one of those things has happened except healthcare in a botched format. In fact hes done so much bad that personally in my 39 years on this earth and from the research I have been able to find on past presidents he's done more to set the united States Back than any other president.

Now listen once you get in office there are things you are told and shown I swear that no one else has the gravity of understanding. You see the REAL picture and the people who run the show steer you. I never understand how a president who just got elected is considered the commander in arms while behind the scenes we have generals with 40 years of service running everything covertly. The president is not the driving factor for anything in reality nor is the congress anymore.

However i feel worst about what Obama has done to politics. Those who he made believe will no longer believe in politics. The almighty savior was a bust, a failure, and a lier. So when politicians speak now no one will believe anything. Slick talk is out, and we as citizens need to start voting on PAST proven results and not political ambitions.

I will not vote for Obama given a reliable alternative. Change for change doesn't work either. I think an Independent could have a chance this time as we have all seen countless republicans and Democrats fail election after elections. I would love to see Ron Paul run, but I still think the media will not support him unless he win the GOP.

Next Election I want an American through and through. Someone who cares about our status in the world, who want's to see us return to the top and not be just another country. We need to stop fighting for Oil, and invest in a future without it. We need to stand up for those who really need us, and we need to stay out of other countries business unless it directly effects us. Our soldiers need not die for the S&P or shareholders values, if they must die it should be from something honorable like freeing an enslaved people from genocide.

I love America and what it stood for. However I think I safely can say this for all of us. All of us are born into our situation. Some of us are American, some of us are Russian, some of us are Korean, and some of us are Chinese on the outside. However inside we all are the same. We bleed the same, we cry the same, we love the same, and we hope the same. We are all Humans trapped on this spinning ball and we all just want to mean something to someone. As an American I wan't my country to represent our best views and beliefs while tolerating yours in a peaceful manner.

American is still a great country just like many others when you look at the people.. We will right this ship.

Originally posted by uSNUUZuLUUz

Originally posted by gncnew

“If you’re complaining about the price of gas and you’re only getting 8 miles a gallon, you know,” Obama said laughingly. “You might want to think about a trade-in.” Read more: www.heraldnews.com...

Herald News

What? As you fly your family around the world on extravagant vacations playing the little prince - we should think about trade-ins? I thought you were going to bring we middle-lower class Americans a new age of prosperity? I thought you were going to rebalance the American wealth? I thought you were going to close the gap of the have's and have-nots?

Instead, you've told us "get used to it and trade in... sorry". Are you trading in? Is Washington taking pay cuts like most of America? Are you limiting your family's travel and spending?

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ummmmmmm is it just me or did the original poster totally misinterpret MR. Obama's quote. He was saying DON't complain about gas prices when you drive a 70's truck that get's 1 mile / gallon!!!!! Trade in a get a more FUEL efficient truck. He wasn't saying just trade in to get a NEW car. It was toward all the people complaining, but not helping by using less gas. (not about the money)

Get over yourself, He's one of the best presidents since JFK. You're just mad, because he actually thinks through his problems, rather than a quick knee jerk reaction like Bush.

peace.

This post is laughable at minimal, and ignorant at best. For starters, you put words into obama's mouth to help him out with his direct quote of peeing on Americans when asked about gas prices-way to go. To acknowledge that he has the potential of JFK. is absolute lunacy, obama now has three wars, JFK was trying to keep americans out of the war that the cia-french had started. also JFK was trying to open up the transparency of the cia-fbi since there silent deceit of lies that was hatched from the cold war. Obama has at every avenue went behind closed doors to get legislation and litigation passed. Not sure if your a troll, or just cannot help yourself in holding obamas water-b.s, but i am neither amused with your absurdities, nor taken back with your lack of knowledge on the subject

Barack Obama is NOT a leader. Period.

Perfect example - where has he been during the Japan crisis? Why has he never addressed our nation during this most catastropic event? Why hasn't he spoken to the people as a leader to calm some fears or at the very least, explain what is happening and how we are prepared. Instead we are all left wondering and searching for our own answers. He made sure to get his final four picks out there for the NCAA. Unbelievable.

The above example is only one recent example of MANY in his total lack of leadership.

I am seeing alot of general "I voted for obama for hope and change". now, here is where the suspicion grows...they never say an issue or two they voted for.

I am calling several out here as wolves disguised as sheep..yep, liars.

oh sure...I was a long term dem, then I thought bush would be good, so I voted for him...boy was I wrong...us bush voters sure got duped...lets not do that again, lesson learned.

total fabrication...I never voted for bush, and many of you "I voted for obama for both hope and change" didn't vote for obama either..bunch of bad acting liars. If you are interested in moderately liberal ideas and ideals, you voted for obama...if your a conservative, you voted for mccain..the only way to even slightly believe some of you is to think "oh, maybe they did vote for hope and change..just hope and change...no clue what the issues were, they just voted for two keywords...why? because they really are =that= stupid."

If your a lib, your a bit upset that several things are yet unresolved after 2 years, but pleased in some things that were finally addressed...financial regulations, healthcare, dadt, etc...

ATS is a good board, but with nonsense pushed on here by some of you, I am embarassed to be even taking part in this board with all these lying shills. Its intellectually insulting and is trying to sink the debate down to the most apelike nonsense out there. I prefer the "hows that hope and change working out for ya" crap the neocons did..at least they weren't pretending to be something they simply don't understand.

Originally posted by 0enigma0
Barack Obama is NOT a leader. Period.

Perfect example - where has he been during the Japan crisis? Why has he never addressed our nation during this most catastropic event? Why hasn't he spoken to the people as a leader to calm some fears or at the very least, explain what is happening and how we are prepared. Instead we are all left wondering and searching for our own answers. He made sure to get his final four picks out there for the NCAA. Unbelievable.

The above example is only one recent example of MANY in his total lack of leadership.

I will shoot him a note to give you a call directly next time he is about to address something so you don't miss out and start shooting off randomly. Some would say your just lying, however, I know you were just waiting for Obama to call you directly to bring attention to his speech

google > ignorance

Obama has let the world down. I don't see it as the failure of the first american black president, I see it as the failure of a corrupt system that has not been running in the best interests of its people for over a hundred years

My question to the OP (and anyone else) is why did you think he was going to usher in any kind of prosperity at all? He had no experience running anything, no track record, and his actual campaign indicated the opposite. ...."under my plan, energy costs will necessarily skyrocket..." comes immediately to mind. Well at least that was a campaign promise kept....of course he did buy the dog. I thought for sure after that comment (in addition to his snide references to guns and religion) there was no way PA would go for him but alas, I was proven wrong (thanks pitt and philly).

I can not understand (and I have it in my own family) how anyone with conservative ideals could vote for an obvious socialist/marxist because they felt the last conservative wasn't conservative enough. What????? I understand those on the uberleft going for the guy - for them he truly appeared to be an answer to their dreams but I just will never understand how even a moderate could vote for someone so obviously "not moderate." Not trying to be argumentative at all, I just can not understand the thinking.

The good news (or at least promising news) is that he did indeed usher in hope and change. Finally, Americans are waking up to the mess that is Washington and there is a shred of hope that maybe this horrible, horrible administration will provoke some change in the status quo. Not holding my breath though.....

For the first time I truly understand that my beloved country is and has been a mess internally for some time.......

reply to post by SaturnFX


Giving a speech addressing the obvious is not leadership and I think that was what the comment was about. He is not a leader.

reply to post by glad_to_be_His


your rebuttle is pretty easy to sum up, first the media potrayed him as the next savior with god like powers, such the case of individuals fainting while at his campaigns.Then he promised CHANGE, what kind as we all know 2008 was tough times and change in a positive manner looked good

Lastly, do not forget about the electorial college vote that has put several of the last potus's in power

My synopsis:the U.S. citizens right to vote for their monarch is limited and often directed by the media and if not, by the electorial college vote.

Originally posted by glad_to_be_His
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Giving a speech addressing the obvious is not leadership and I think that was what the comment was about. He is not a leader.

Look to the left, then to the right, pause in center and blink occasionally while reading from teleprompters.

A very easy gig, for an articulate reader.

Quarter million or more, plus all of the amazing benefits make it a very easy job...

We've had many presidents, and very few leaders.

Obama is a speech reader, not a leader. He is simply a public figurehead for the elite that rule this country and have for many decades now.. People place too much blame and credit on this man, when he has absolutely no control or power over anything or anyone.

Wake up America... Or let your president read you another bedtime story... That is your choice!

Who will your next puppet be?

Originally posted by yeahright
Fact is (okay, maybe not "fact" but my considered opinion), anyone who actually wants that job ought to be immediately excluded from ever having it. I'd like to see us able to draft someone for it and drag them, kicking and screaming, into the Oval Office. Of course, that'll never happen.

I LOVE that idea. I mean we think Jury Duty is important enough to force people to participate, why not POTUS?

In our current system there are qualities that are prequisite that aren't neccessarily applicable to the job....For example, to run for POTUS arrogance is a must...I mean who really wakes up and says "Damn! I should be leader of the free world!"

When there was less of a Media frenzy people like Franklin Roosevelt was able to be POTUS while in a wheelchair...One of my other favorites was Teddy Roosevelt (only distantly related to Franklin). I mean the man was shot in the chest before giving a speech and STILL GAVE THE SPEECH. He also was an old fashioned envirornmentalist before the issue became entwined in the culture war. He loved to hunt and he wanted to preserve the wild and unpopulated pockets of the USA for future generations. He wasn't a tree hugger, but he wasn't a fan of strip malls either.


Any man who can take a bullet and then make a speech without mentioned the slug that pierced his chest would get mike vote in a heartbeat. What has happened to men like that?

Originally posted by Char-Lee
I think Obama is the ani-christ, one reason is he can fit in all worlds and lands, no one really feels offened by him, not jis looks or speech.

I thought the first bit of this post was crazy...The Anti-Christ thing, but you actually managed to one up yourself with the second part ..."No one really feels offended by him, not his looks or speech"....wow, where have you been the past 5 years?

The fact that the OP blames everything now on Obama makes me think that this entire post is nothing but AGENDA.

I don't even buy the opening post. Not for a second.

Sorry, no cigar.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by glad_to_be_His
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Giving a speech addressing the obvious is not leadership and I think that was what the comment was about. He is not a leader.

Look to the left, then to the right, pause in center and blink occasionally while reading from teleprompters.

A very easy gig, for an articulate reader.

Quarter million or more, plus all of the amazing benefits make it a very easy job...

We've had many presidents, and very few leaders.

Obama is a speech reader, not a leader. He is simply a public figurehead for the elite that rule this country and have for many decades now.. People place too much blame and credit on this man, when he has absolutely no control or power over anything or anyone.

Wake up America... Or let your president read you another bedtime story... That is your choice!

Who will your next puppet be?

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Quite Laughable.

Are you one of those that think Obama is elite because he talks good? (You forget that REPUBLICANS are the party of the Elite, RICH, and POWERFUL. It really astonishes me on how many POOR, uneducated people from the middle/south of the country vote for REPUBLICANS, when they don't give a # about you. Wake up, research, learn, and then you will understand the side of the democrats)

About his speeches, Would you would prefer he use 3 letter words and say "do yall hear meh?" & "I Tell u what..." & "that darn other country leader is a fool, i tell u what". How about YOU go and finish school, and learn how to speak. Then you would realize that is not Elite, but average (and you are just below average). Do you know why there are speeches? Do you know why there are editors? So you don't look like a complete ASS like Bush, and mispronounce other leaders' names, or so that you don't leave out an important talking point. Or so that you don't offend something/someone. Get over the fact that there are speeches, and instead try LISTENING to them. COMPREHENDING them. UNDERSTANDING them. Then you will understand how much of a LEADER he actually is. (You choose to not listen, and therefore not follow his leadership)

Get an education, learn words with more than 3 letters and 1 syllable, and then come talk.

Come with something else, other than "He must be bad because he speaks good English".

Quite Laughable.

Originally posted by maybereal11
What has happened to men like that?

They're all swamp logging or crab fishing or something.

Originally posted by uSNUUZuLUUz


Are you one of those that think Obama is elite because he talks good? (You forget that REPUBLICANS are the party of the Elite, RICH, and POWERFUL. It really astonishes me on how many POOR, uneducated people from the middle/south of the country vote for REPUBLICANS, when they don't give a # about you. Wake up, research, learn, and then you will understand the side of the democrats)

About his speeches, Would you would prefer he use 3 letter words and say "do yall hear meh?" & "I Tell u what..." & "that darn other country leader is a fool, i tell u what". How about YOU go and finish school, and learn how to speak.

From this...

To this!

Quite an improvement indeed.

Quite Laughable.

I couldn't agree more.

I agree with what you are saying. however if i was in his position i would milk it for every last cent, knowing i had 4 years of fun, I think he could have done more than he currently is.. but what do i know, I am english.. Its not much better here, loads of empty promises that we collectively fall for year after year. Maybe one day it will change... just maybe

I completely agree. Funny how canadian politics is almost a perfect mirror of what is going on in the states. We have pc and liberals, first the liberals get ousted for being busted on corruption scandal, so we vote conservative. Then the conservatives get dissolved on short notice so that only pro-establishment candidates really have enough time, money and resources to take advantage of the 1 week or so window they gave to get signatures for candidacy and money put together to pay for entry as a candidate. 1 week. They did this on purpose to kick the rising independent candidates in the nuts and get most of them to fail to even appear on the ballot. They are buying themselves another 4 years to be corrupt and to censor the web and quell public distrust in the system. Sorry but this is the second government that ended in rotten scandal --> DOWN WITH THE FEDS.