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ATS: UK Government Considering Childhood Anti-Drug Jab

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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 09:33 AM
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Freedom of choice?
Forget it, should plans being drawn up by the UK Government come to fruition.
The UK Government is reported to be considering giving the go-ahead for research and administration of childhood vaccines which would prevent smoking or drug use. The vaccine works by altering the mental effects smoking and drug useage has

 



news.independent.co.uk

A radical scheme to vaccinate children against future drug addiction is being considered by ministers, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.

Under the plans, doctors would immunise children at risk of becoming smokers or drug users with an injection. The scheme could operate in a similar way to the current nationwide measles, mumps and rubella vaccination programme.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


This proposal is certain to cause widespread debate as to the legality and ethics of Government interference of a basic human right; freedom of choice.

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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 09:41 AM
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Im not saying its the right way to go, but children don't have the rights to make these kind of medical decisions untill they are at leat 18 or are emancipated. That being said, I have to admit that it would be very appealing to keep kids away from potentially harmfull substances, it probably wont work.

Each person reacts differnetly to vaccines. Also, you would have to prove that the drug has no long term harm. I agree it has HUGE implications esp in the realm of government controll. I can just see camps were you are forced to take these injections. Its one thing if you voulenteer. Another if you are forced



posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 09:50 AM
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This is very dangerous. Addiction and narcotic effects cannot be "immunised against". The immune system works by adapting to and attacking living foreign bodies, like virii and bacteria. Any treament would only mask some of the effects of the drug. This will encourge people to take more powerful drugs to achieve the effect they want.

Also the trials on rats wwere only 58% effective.

Xenova, the British biotechnology firm, has carried out trials on an anti-coc aine vaccine which showed that 58 per cent of patients remained coc aine-free after three months.


Narcotic effects happen because of the artificial stimulation of natural physiological processes. If these processes are artificially blocked, I'm sure will this have adverse effects on the body. What if a an anti-morhpine jab also countered the natural endorphin production and take upfor example? It may well reduced the body's own pain killing mechanism.. which is obviously a bad thing.

And this, injecting artifically created super-virii in to children..

Meanwhile, experts at the Scripps Research Institute in San Diego, California, have developed a super-virus, harmless to humans, which produces proteins that can block or reduce the effects of coc aine.

The whole idea of doing something like that is almost beyond belief!

EDIT : I can't see doctors cooporating with this either.

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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 09:56 AM
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This has to be the most scary Orwellian idea to come out of the UK.

Instead of neutering the natural mental processes of human beings, how about tackling the root causes of drug addiction?



Under the plans, doctors would immunise children at risk of becoming smokers or drug users with an injection.

news.independent.co.uk...


How would they determine which children get immunised?
Which ones are under 'risk'?
The poor?
The destitute?
The uneducated?

No human on earth understands the processes and chemical reactions of the brain enought to implement a national program of this magnitude.

And even if they did, I'm sure common sense would prevent such an ignorant approach to some of societies more undesirable realities.

I am in no way advocating tobacco, heroin or coc aine.
I have recently stopped smoking tobacco myself after finally coming to the realisation that I was making some fat cats fatter whilst slowly gassing myself to death.

What is really needed is hope, education and purpose, not more laced boot policies crushing the human soul underfoot.




posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 10:01 AM
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Childhood immunisation would provide adults with protection from the euphoria that is experienced by users, making drugs such as heroin and coc aine pointless to take. Such vaccinations are being developed by pharmaceutical companies and are due to hit the market within two years.



... and don't forget that many drugs that combat mania leave patients feeling uninspired and dull. Blunting a child's sense of fun is the surest way to turn them into violent criminals. You would need to do more and more to get a rise.

Politicians should have to take an entrance examination just to breathe.


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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 01:22 PM
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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by muppet
It may well reduced the body's own pain killing mechanism.. which is obviously a bad thing.

Additionally it may prevent the legal and necessary use of narcotics when they are needed. This is nothing short of myopic insanity, as their is no way to test how this vaccine will impact other drugs that are yet to be invented.
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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 01:56 PM
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I most be mistaken but I thought that UK was a democratic country and people has the right to opposed to something as dangerous as that, for god sake this is children we are talking about.


Don’t UK have groups that opposes to this type of things?


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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 02:11 PM
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I think people would certainly oppose it, the medical profession would refuse to impliment it. Failing that, it would probably be discussed with the use of sticks in trafalgar square, like the Poll tax was!!

The UK is too small a country to force something like that on it's population. It's much easier for us to protest outside parliament than it is in a huge country like the US for example. Given large protests the House of Lords would most likely scupper the legislation (they can do up to three times, over three years), by which time the goverment trying to inroduce it would be on it's way out.

Luckily our parliamentary system is such that these things have to argued and justified pretty rigorously to get through, and back bench rebellion is common.

EDIT : expect this idea to be ripped to shreds in next weeks newspaper editorials and then quietly sidelined by the government!

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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 02:35 PM
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When they start putting opiate blockers in the water, it won't be on the news.

Opiate and coke blockers are more fun than anti-buse! You don't puke like you do when you try to drink on the anti-alcohol drugs....you just keep doing more coke and heroin!

It's like being a SuperUser. Amaze your friends! Do a pile of coke then take a nap. More profits for the CIA.



posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 02:57 PM
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marg6043 wrote


Don’t UK have groups that opposes to this type of things?


Don't you worry marg, there's probably a group/s being formed right now across the UK. As muppet said, any UK Government is always wary of what happened to Maggie in 1990 over the poll tax.
If the Government wants to try initiating a type of eugenics programme in the UK they will face opposition that'll make the poll tax/newbury/huntingdon protests look like a teddy bears picnic.

to the barricades, mes enfants.

zero lift



posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 03:16 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

note the orginal source for the article.

EDIT; oops, I accidentally deleted my main point with this post, which was to say that in th UK the British Medical Council is VERY much against this kind of thing.

Also in the UK politicans and drug companies aren't in bed with each other liek the US, since large "campaign" funds, paying for TV ads etc, are not allowed.

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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 03:40 PM
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Blimey muppet....how did I miss that thread. Well done for posting it.

US administrations always used to be attracted to this kind of research but now it looks like Bush wants a brand shiny new 21st Century Eugenics programme


It'll end up the same as the Soviet mental hospital abuses.

Anyone who votes against Bush will be declared to have a mental health problem.

zero lift



posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 04:39 PM
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Anyone who votes against Bush will be declared to have a mental health problem.


Ha, ha, ha, Thanks for the joke.
zero lift

And I am glad that the UK like US have to confront opposition when something like this is put to the public.
Like something that will deal with the health of people and children.

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posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 11:31 PM
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Forcing this on a population is a pretty bad idea, but providing it for parents who choose it seems like a pretty good idea.

I imagine this sort of thing will grow in popularity as gene therapy becomes available to reduce or alter the effects of narcotics. The process there is pretty straightforward - identify those who have negative and non-addictive responses to narcotics, identify the genes responsible and use a retrovirus as a delivery platform. Yes, it is a future concept, but one that will probably work and be safe and effective.

I have to admit to wondering why any parent would not want to protect their children from narcotics. Just think how much better off many of you would have been at certain points in your life if certain "chemicals" didn't have appeal...

Think about it...



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by Corpus Callosum
I imagine this sort of thing will grow in popularity as gene therapy becomes available to reduce or alter the effects of narcotics. The process there is pretty straightforward - identify those who have negative and non-addictive responses to narcotics, identify the genes responsible and use a retrovirus as a delivery platform. Yes, it is a future concept, but one that will probably work and be safe and effective.


Err.. That is called Eugenics, look it up in Google, along with 'Hitler' and 'The Final Solution'.

Not a good idea.

Muppet made an excellent point earlier on in this thread:


Originally by Muppet
What if a an anti-morhpine jab also countered the natural endorphin production and take upfor example? It may well reduced the body's own pain killing mechanism.. which is obviously a bad thing.


This, amongst a great many other reasons, is extremely important; something we do not want to alter or inhibit.
Heroin was a brand name for diacetylmorphine, manufactured in 1898 and sold over the counter as a pain killer.
It works by simulating the bodies natural response to pain.
If this unknown function is altered by chemical or genetic means, we will be making a mistake of monumental proportions.

Remember the wisdom of the thalidomide fiasco of the 1950s (the 'wonder drug')?
Hey, I got a great idea! Lets make that permanent feature of the human race by injecting our genes with unknown substances altering unknown processes in an unknown environment!

Or alternatively, we could educate our children.

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posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 05:58 AM
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shanti23 wrote


Remember the wisdom of the thalidomide fiasco of the 1950s (the 'wonder drug')? Hey, I got a great idea! Lets make that permanent feature of the human race by injecting our genes with unknown substances altering unknown processes in an unknown environment! .........Or alternatively, we could educate our children.





Exactly shant23. Education is always the answer. Deny Ignorance.


zero lift



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 06:36 AM
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Yet another commie-socialist save-the-women-and-children
initiative?!
These police state SOBs never stop do they. They're like an Energizer battery: They just keep going, and going, and going...

What's next...a helmet potty law to love and protect the precious, little children's noggins while they're taking a dump?







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posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 07:02 PM
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you have to be kidding, I mean are they trying to wipe out what makes us human? Not everyone has the same path here.



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