Originally posted by jstanthrno1
If there is a 'God' responsible for creating the Universe and everything it... 'He' is far too powerful for the human mind to comprehend.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Allah/God choses not to reveal himself in this time because it is just a test. He created the universe. How can you expect to outsmart an omnipotent/infinite intelligence?
If I created a fishbowl and placed a fish in it and I ask the fish to prove their was a creator, how would the fish go by to produce that proof?
We simply do not have the intelligence to produce the proof if it was meant to be produced. Maybe god created the universe in such a way that you cannot prove him. That is the beauty of God and his infinite power/intelligence/omnipotence/everlasting
Originally posted by Redevilfan09
Have a look in genesis and tell me what you think of god. God could of been the survivors of a catastrophe, God could of been E.Ts, god could be something that we will never know, until god reveals itself. There was more than one god in the bible. They were physical beings from my point of view and unfortunetly these beings probably didn't know where they came from either, but they created us, or they are us. I'm putting my bet on a very intelligent life form being our gods.
Originally posted by kaleshchand
You may want to note that one of the oldest religions still practiced today is Hinduism, and in pure Hinduism God is actually known as "nirakar" meaning formless, and this is known as the most divine form of God.
Originally posted by mikesk8s247
reply to post by loves a conspiricy
What? How does what hes said, translate to the bible being lies? It proves the existence of GOD and does not falsify the bible. Someone just doesnt want the bible to be true because they may be guilty.. hmmmm
Is There a God? No one can prove to you the existence of God, as in a mathematical proof. But you still will be able to be certain of His existence: There are many good, rational arguments. We will make them in a moment. But if you do not want to believe in God, you never will. There can be no scientific proof, simply because God is not physical or material, He is spiritual and infinite. Science is the observation of material phenomena in this universe, and then applying our reason and logic to understand and control them. By definition, God cannot exist as part of this universe, cannot be composed of matter, and cannot even exist in time. We will explain why later on this page. But even things in this world cannot really be proven with 100% certainty. Entire books have been written about how the U.S. space program has been faked by the government. All you have to do is set the standards of proof high enough, and absolutely nothing can be proven. Proof is a tricky subject. As the old Greeks like Euclid discovered, all proofs have to rely on at least several assumptions (which they called postulates) which cannot themselves be proven. So a person who demands hard proofs is doomed to failure. It is a doctrine of the Church that faith does not come to us through reason alone, but by the grace of God. If a person opposes even the possiblity of God's existence, then any arguments or evidence can be rationalized away. Since it is impossible to "prove" with absolute certainty, any amount of belief in God has to come from your own spirit, from within your own heart, because it is the spirit of God that we are trying to find. The paradox is, you will only find this faith if God gives you the grace to find it. A person of faith already knows why they believe. It is not for any selfish reason, or because they want to be "saved." It is because they know they are a true child of God, and that we naturally seek Him and know Him as only a child can know their true parents. It is a completion of our lonely existence. It is a feeling of coming home. And it is a certainty that goes far beyond all efforts at "proof." Our faith is a pure gift from God. It is the result of our having accepted the gift of His grace.
Originally posted by kaleshchand
When reading this thread please keep an open mind but not so open your brain falls out. The scientific group will (in my opinion) be able to see where I am going with this thread. But T think I need to be ready to be flamed by the religious group.
Originally posted by kaleshchandI will not post any links in this post, because everything I state will be well known scientific facts.
Originally posted by kaleshchandDefinition of God
Lets face it, we cant prove/disprove something that has an unlimited number of definitions. So for this thread God will be defined by "generally accepted" qualities of God. So what are the qualities of God?
- God has no beginning or end. (i.e. God was never "born" and can never die)
- God is everywhere.
- God is all powerful.
- God is all knowing.
So we are looking for "someone" or "something" with those qualities.
Originally posted by kaleshchandTo simplify God is all matter and energy that there is. From now on I will use the word universe to describe all matter and energy that there is.
The second quality. God is everywhere. The universe is everywhere, God is everywhere, simple.
The third quality. God is all powerful. What is more powerful than the universe? nothing, because the universe compromises of everything. So universe is all powerful. and so is God.
The fourth quality. God is all knowing. Since the universe is "everything" it will mean that only the universe can know about everything, thus it is all knowing, and so is God.
Conclusion, the Universe is God, where universe is defined as "All matter and energy that there is". This definition is here for future proofing, so that it will automatically include multiverses, parallel universes, or any other universes that are discovered.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
reply to post by kaleshchand
This is not scientific proof of anything. All you've done is redefine "universe" as "god" and then try to apply the qualities of omniscience and omnipotence to it.
Congratulations. You've given your case for panentheism. Please come back again when you have actual scientific proof and something beyond a redefining of terminologies.
Originally posted by Nobama
reply to post by kaleshchand
So wouldn't it make more sense to say our ancestors worship the Universe because it was so strange and powerful to them? Sorry but if anything your just furthering proving that there is no all knowing being.