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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Are you within that pencil? Is that pencil within you?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Are you within that pencil? Is that pencil within you?
Absolutely. We're all in it, it's in all of us, plus it's all powerful and all knowing.
Because I said so.
Apparently that's all it takes under this methodology.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Then indeed that pencil is God to you.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Then indeed that pencil is God to you.
Ahh. But my subjective opinion does not establish the objective existence of anything.
And this is why the OP fails
Originally posted by kaleshchand
The first quality. "God has no beginning or end." Think people, the first law of thermodynamics. "Energy can be neither created nor destroyed.
Originally posted by kaleshchand
The second quality. God is everywhere. The universe is everywhere, God is everywhere, simple.
Originally posted by kaleshchand
The third quality. God is all powerful. What is more powerful than the universe? nothing, because the universe compromises of everything. So universe is all powerful. and so is God.
Originally posted by kaleshchand
The fourth quality. God is all knowing. Since the universe is "everything" it will mean that only the universe can know about everything, thus it is all knowing, and so is God.
Originally posted by kaleshchand
Conclusion, the Universe is God, where universe is defined as "All matter and energy that there is". This definition is here for future proofing.
Light is the main starting point in the Bible. Light is both a particle and wave. We know from physics that light and energy are carried by wave. Gravity is tied into all this since every particle has an associate wave.
If you realize that nearly every major religion holds the idea of LOGOS as a central theme of creation, it is easy to connect Word (LOGOS) to Light and draw a parallel. Light and Word (wave), particle and wave are right there in the Bible. John 1 says that in the Beginning was the WORD (LOGOS).
Originally posted by IAMIAM
He has not failed because he has established an understanding of the divine for himself. He may not have proven it to YOU, but why does that matter.
God is the acknowledgement that there is something greater than our selves.
That we are not in control of everything in this existence. That we do not know everything there is to know, that we are not all powerful.
Why you down people for having come to such an understanding is beyond me.
I understand if he was trying to foist some kind of doctrine on you. If he was trying to use his idea of the divine to hamper your own actions and thought, then yes, I would stand with you and denounce his understanding of God.
The OP is not doing this though. He merely came to the acknowledgement that there IS something all powerful, all Knowing, ever present, and all good and that something is the sum total of all there is.
If you would get past your own ego and stop thinking YOU are all these things, you too may be humble enough to know that you are NOT all knowing, all powerful, ever present, and as gloriously good as the sum total of that there is.
That is all it is about. The Awe of this existence.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
If you would get past your own ego and stop thinking YOU are all these things, you too may be humble enough to know that you are NOT all knowing, all powerful, ever present, and as gloriously good as the sum total of that there is.
I never claimed I was any of those things. Please do not put words in my mouth.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
That is all it is about. The Awe of this existence.
I also have awe of existence. None of it requires making up a god and pretending that the universe is that god.
Originally posted by sirnex
I don't get it. Where is the proof that the universe is all knowing given that to know something the universe must be a living intelligent entity with the capacity to experience and reflect upon those experience in which to gain knowledge of all things.
Looks more like wordplay than proof.edit on 7-4-2011 by sirnex because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sirnex
I don't get it. Where is the proof that the universe is all knowing given that to know something the universe must be a living intelligent entity with the capacity to experience and reflect upon those experience in which to gain knowledge of all things.
Looks more like wordplay than proof.edit on 7-4-2011 by sirnex because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sirnex
I don't get it. Where is the proof that the universe is all knowing given that to know something the universe must be a living intelligent entity with the capacity to experience and reflect upon those experience in which to gain knowledge of all things.
Looks more like wordplay than proof.edit on 7-4-2011 by sirnex because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Originally posted by sirnex
I don't get it. Where is the proof that the universe is all knowing given that to know something the universe must be a living intelligent entity with the capacity to experience and reflect upon those experience in which to gain knowledge of all things.
Looks more like wordplay than proof.edit on 7-4-2011 by sirnex because: (no reason given)
Don't you think a greater conscience than your own can exist in this Universe ?
it can