reply to post by randyvs
Salutations Sirnex. Looking at the above, it seems odd to see the answer before the question. Well anyway, what would it mean to you if light
could be shown to be a creation ?
It would mean nothing to me. Suppose some intelligent force had indeed created the entire universe and all objects within it, including life. There is
no reason to assume the universe was created with humans in mind just because a bunch of primitive peoples from the past said so. There is no evidence
that the universe is suited to our existence either. We can't exist on any other planet but our own. Even the habitable planets we are just now
discovering have gravitational fields that are too strong for us to be comfortable on for long periods.
Chances are, there is no creator, that physics and chemistry dictates how thing's work, or whether life can evolve and how it evolves on the planet
it evolved upon. We see our planet as perfect for our existence due to having evolved under the conditions of this planet. Venus, albeit similar in
size and gravity and within the habitable zone of our star, is not suitable for humans to live on. We could terraform both venus and mars to make them
suitable in the future though.
Right, point being, there most likely is no creator of the universe at all. Certainly no creator of all existence either, and we can even look towards
every religious doctrine for evidence of that. Existence itself is the only eternal everlasting quality we simple humans know of. In every religious
text I've come across, every deity existed within some other realm prior to the creation of this universe we exist within. There are no myths nor
legends, no religious doctrines that describe any entity that existed before existence itself or could exist outside of all existence.
If you're God existed in some other realm before creating this universe, it only serves to show/prove that your God was no true God at all. We don't
understand the properties of his realm, the physics, the energies, etc. It's more probable that this type of creator imagined by man centuries upon
centuries ago was capable of creating universes at a whim through natural means as dictated by the physics of his realm.
Knowing that this creator existed within another realm and was not the actual creator of all of existence begs one to wonder about the actual status
of this entity and whether we should truly worship it as a true god capable of bringing existence itself into creation! If this entity lived within
another realm and there is no mention of this entity creating all of existence, then would this entity be able to survive if it's plane of existence
reply to post by Unity_99
Then using the model of infinity in our 3d brains, like the deepest thinking and the existence of all the possibilities that exist before
something selects it, as in the Double Slit experiment, one can understand that there is a God, what one would call the Essence of Consciousness
emanating from the whole of infinite energy, but using the same possibility model you would have every variation of this being expressed. ie. Global
Consciousness, Dispersed Intelligence/Consciousness (us for example), Energy/Matter with No Consciousness, and infinite degree and varieties of all of
this, including shades inbetween????
So, mathematically one could indeed express God, and yet all of us and yet all the infinite degrees of energy, in variety and flavors, both animate
First of all, the Double slit experiment has nothing to do with the human mind. I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to imply, but it needs to
be said regardless before someone comes in misunderstanding the actual science, what it says and what its implications are. That said.... moving
The issue with attempting to prove god with maths and infinities is that we can use those same tools to disprove God. We can even use those very same
tools to prove that we don't even exist at all. With infinite possibilities, it's possible we are a mere dream for a tiny little slug. An infinite
existence in age does not necessarily imply an infinite amount of possibilities either. Suppose our universe has always existed for an infinite
period of time in it's current condition. If we take two rocks and smash them together for infinity, they will never turn into an entire solar system
with a habitable planet filled with uneducated arrogant narcissists. Physics simply doesn't allow for it, regardless of how long you smash those
rocks together. When dealing with infinity, you also have to attempt to utilize common sense.
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