Why didn't the CIA use the heart attack gun on JFK? (Or any other assination method thats quieter)

After reading a thread related to the JFK assassination by Rising Against, I Iearned about the Heart Attack Gun that the CIA allegedly uses. Here are some of the links that Rising Against provided in the discussion

CIA secret weapon of assassination - Heart Attack Gun, Declassified 1975
CIA secret weapon of assassination - Heart Attack Gun, Declassified 1975

CIA Whistleblower: “Heart Attack Gun”

Most of the JFK assassination conspiracies believe that the CIA played a big role in it. CIA or not, the technology, the Heart Attack weapons exist, so the organization behind the assassination would have no trouble getting it. So why didn't they just use their Heart Attack Gun on the president? Or any other method that would be less suspicious or noticeable ways to kill him? Why create such a huge event in-front of everyone? Why not just make it seem like he died from natural causes? A car or plane accident perhaps? Why spend all that trouble to make an assassination scene?

Were they trying to get get more attention or a bigger reaction from the public? Were there any other news events that happened during that time, that they wanted to distract the public from?

Because the point was to make an example out of him. Not just get rid of him.

If you want to send a message what better way to do it than for it to be public and bloody.

Just like that quote from the movie Law Abiding Citizen, "Lessons not learned in blood are soon forgotten" wasn't JFK trying to end the Vietnam war at the time and bring the soldiers home?

It made a point and showed that it does not matter if you are the president you are still our puppet

reply to post by Tnewguy


Exactly. People wanted JFK dead and doing it publicly doubled as an attempt to drop the morale of JFK's supporters/sympathizers.

Because the CIA didn't kill him it was Lee harvey oswald, there is tons of evidence to support this and NONE to support the CIA theory... speculation isn't evidence

Lee harvey oswald WIKI

Scroll down to the part about the assassination and read from there.

reply to post by kaoticf8


I think groups in the government were also upset with him because he didn't back a full on invasion of Cuba.



reply to post by roughycannon


Wiki is not a viable source to put conspiracies to rest. Good for a summary of "general" knowledge but is seriously flawed in being detail-oriented.

To preface: I don't actually believe any of the convoluted JFK theories, or that he was assassinated by the CIA. I don't think that the assassination was as simple as the official story, but I think it's a lot more simple than most theories.

But assuming that it was the CIA, they must have wanted to deliver a message to people who wanted change. They wouldn't just silently shut down a man like JFK; they would need him to show what the Baddies could do to even the most popular of people.

Because, they not only needed the populace to believe that they president was brutally murdered thereby ripping any hope away from them, they also needed them to believe a commie did it. Worse still, a homegrown commie. Only, he didn't kill Kennedy and he wasn't a commie.

reply to post by Dendro


Yes but I have had an interest in the JFK assassination since I was a teenager and I have many books on the subject and the info on the wiki page is correct as to the part about Lee harvey oslawd's steps before and after the assignation.

Lee Harvey Oswald did it. If you examine the conspiracies the inevitable conclusion is that they're a dead end. I can't remember the show, I think it was the history channel, but you could see them reenact the whole affair and it was very convincing that the only conclusion you can come to sanely is that oswald did it from the book depository building. Any other position and you start having to invent facts that don't exist. This conspiracy won't die but I'm not surprised. BS sells.

There's a reason that conspiracies that involve a government or criminal enterprise making Oswald a patsy are always complicated and contradictory and bring up questions like hte OP does here. Ridiculous questions that make your head spin out of control. It's because it's pure BS. If the OP and others who believe this garbage could just open their eyes...

Ironically if JFK had had a heart attack that would bring up more questions in my mind. Because that would actually make sense. If a government was going to take someone out they're not going to take chances like this unless they've lost their minds. It should be obvious. So the fact that it happened the way it did strongly suggests, ignoring everything else, that Oswald did it.

ya know I just have to laugh at those
sleeping folks who think Oswald killed
JFK.

So please some of u geniuses tell me
how a bullet fired from behind created
a 3 inch entry wound but only a half inch
exit wound in front ??? Did this bullet have
magical powers to make a u-turn ???


u sleeping folks are a riot.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
ya know I just have to laugh at those
sleeping folks who think Oswald killed
JFK.

So please some of u geniuses tell me
how a bullet fired from behind created
a 3 inch entry wound but only a half inch
exit wound in front ??? Did this bullet have
magical powers to make a u-turn ???

u sleeping folks are a riot.

edit on 4/4/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)

This is related:
mcadams.posc.mu.edu...

Virtually every conspiracy claim out there can be rationally explained if sane explanations are what you want. Sadly, not everyone wants that. Conspiracies are just too much fun.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
So please some of u geniuses tell me
how a bullet fired from behind created
a 3 inch entry wound but only a half inch
exit wound in front ???

That would be because yo've been reading too many fantasy novels - JFK bullet trajectory -




(from wiki - en.wikipedia.org...)

Did this bullet have magical powers to make a u-turn ???

the only magic is in the mushroom the conspiracy theorists ahve been chewing! ....there needs to be a yawn emoticon!

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul............

Don't even try, they're not looking for facts.

Facts aren't fun.

Another theory I have is they have a hatred of authority kind of like Oswald did.

Originally posted by jonnywhite

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul............

Don't even try, they're not looking for facts.

Yeah I know.......but the theme of ATS is deny ignorance right??

Or, as someone else is-spelled recently, deny ignorants.

Originally posted by jonnywhite
This is related:
mcadams.posc.mu.edu...

Virtually every conspiracy claim out there can be rationally explained if sane explanations are what you want. Sadly, not everyone wants that. Conspiracies are just too much fun.

you have not explained anything.
I quoted ballistics from the head shot
and your link only talks about the throat shot
to JFK which are 2 different horses.

there are pics of bullet wounds to the head on that
page, but they are all low caliber bullets. Seriously,
you cannot compare ballistics from a .32 bullet to the
throat with a 6.5 Carcano.

reply to post by jonnywhite


'facts are fun! So's fiction. Have you ever made fact and fiction duke it out in a manner akin to Mortal Kombat? it's amazing -- neither one has the advantage. it's just that one persists after you turn off the game and the other doesn't!

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by jonnywhite
This is related:
mcadams.posc.mu.edu...

Virtually every conspiracy claim out there can be rationally explained if sane explanations are what you want. Sadly, not everyone wants that. Conspiracies are just too much fun.

you have not explained anything.
I quoted ballistics from the head shot
and your link only talks about the throat shot
to JFK which are 2 different horses.

there are pics of bullet wounds to the head on that
page, but they are all low caliber bullets. Seriously,
you cannot compare ballistics from a .32 bullet to the
throat with a 6.5 Carcano.

I said it was related, genius. -1 points for not reading my post.

I was giving an example of the BS claims out there and a rationale attempt at explaining the evidence. Your idea that the head wound somehow proves a conspiracy is another example of the BS out there. I've seen more claims than I can count and I really get tired of it. Conspiracies never die because they don't need evidence they just invent sh**.

Tobalon0- you do not have the complete information as to why Kennedy was killed or who did it.

I have studied this case for almost 50 years now. I saw kennedy just a few months before this happened I was in the US Navy in Hawaii when Kennedy came there. His motor cade passed a mear 50 ft. or so in front of me.

This is the way I understand it all happened, take it or leave it.

When the Freedom fighter cubans were left high and dry stranded at the beach, no air cover or other support as promissed for the bay of pigs invasion of the Cuban island many cubans died that should not have died.They were very bitter being left hanging. A few who were also CIA agents went rogue and were looking for a way to pay Kennedy back. The U.S. Mafia got wind of this and joined in league with them and came up with a plan. The Mafia stimulated by the CIA now rouge agents, ordered the hit on Pres. John Kennedy. You must realize that all the mob owned casino's and other properties, Hotels protitution rings, etc. all went down the drain and was lost to Castro. To this day they have never been recovered. The mob was smart enough to make the arrangements to have an off-shore group assinate Kennedy so they picked the French Connection drug cartel to do the job so everyone in the USA would be at " Arms Lenght" as they say in the trade.

Johnson was most likely aware of the pending possible situation because the PTB wanted Kennedy out of the way because of his efforts to bring back the Gold Standard to support our currency. The PTB would not be able to control the populace ( like they do now) if we went back to a sold foundation of using the Gold Standard. It is believed that the French connection guys did it for the money.

I Have a background in investigations so I know how to follow the leads. I am sure that I am not the first one to connect all the dots. There were other very important reasons the PTB wanted to get rid of the Kennedy's

You will note that I did not say anything about Lee Harvey Oswald- that is " because he was just a scape -goat."

Anyway -this is the story as I have pieced it together over the years. ...........KMG

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
That would be because you've been reading too many fantasy novels - JFK bullet trajectory -

lol

No, that would be because I saw the autopsy
photos of JFK's head that were published
and the hole in his head was not where
your illustration puts it. That means dis-info
on your part. But thanks for playing.