Originally posted by darrman
just this morning in response to other threads about BOB's (bug out bags)
i read many people's thoughts about being able to get what their family needs, AFTER the SHTF.......
theft,,, poaching,,,,looting,,,,raiding,,,, are just a few words mentioned by members...
Am i Reading humans right...?? it's bad enough i'm going to have to deal with the "problem" what ever "it" will be.
but if i have to deal with humans being stupid-- and trying to TAKE my family's supplys.....
just the thought makes me angry......
we ALL have the time,, to take steps ,,NOW,, to survive as a race of people -- each in our own lands- in our own way..
or not ...
how many of us think it is better to STEAL,, then to PREPARE??
I find it heartening but childish that you are discussing a survival situation, and you are most worried about moral issues, and ethics.
What if I have a plan for both preparing and looting? Is that out of whack???
Since many of my family members and friends aren't planning now, but they know that I am, I am certain that if their was a failure of American
Infrastructure, they would be on my doorstep expecting me to supply them with a Gun and Ammunition and other supplies that I have spent years and
And why wouldn't I?? My actual plan is to have one Handgun, Rifle, and Shotgun for each of my brothers and brother in laws, and one Rifle OR shotgun
for every woman in the family, and a .22 rifle for each child over the age of 10 years old.
With the size of my extended family, if we needed to leave the city, and be armed, we would be a formidable group moving to wherever we were trying to
go. We could raid along the way and I doubt their would be many groups of similar size and firepower between us and our goals.
Smaller groups along the way would obviously want to join with us for safety and security and in essence, my family would simply roll back to what
they were 120 years ago. We'd be our own entity, armed and ruled, by ourselves. Going back to the ancestral lands we still own down in the country,
to take care of ourselves.
How is that a bad plan? You can't really plan and prepare for more than a couple months out. Ammunition can last for decades, but food doesn't. We
would have to move as a caravan, protect ourselves, and loot and pillage along the way if we wanted to make it. Sure we could barter and trade, but as
a group, why not apply the rule of the fittest?
Some sense of patriotism? Fairness? Ethics? Since none of those things helped us up to the failure of the system, I can't imagine those ideals are
going to be more important after the failure.
If I chose to spend my years preparing for the worst scenario instead of buying sports cars and Droid phones and pleasure boats, then I'm not going
to apologize when the SHTF and my family is more prepared to be survivors and raiders than are all the families sitting outside their bi-level cookie
cutter houses begging for hand outs and trying to sell their Ipads and Flat screen tv's for a hand full of rice or beans.
Tough # ya know. If you have something I want, I might barter with you. Or I'll put a gun to your head and give you the option to hand it over and
run away. or worse. At that point, it's up to me.
Those people weren't concerned with my welfare and well being during the good times. Why should I be concerned during what is for them, the bad
Why is it my responsibility to carry on ideals, with people who wouldn't apply those ideals when they had the chance? Because you can't tell me
that the world as it is isn't full of greed and pillaging right now. It's just a much more subtle pillaging and looting than we would see after the