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China To US: "Stop Military Exchanges With Taiwan"

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posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 03:44 PM
Chinese foreign minister Li Zhaoxing told the US Commander of Pacific Forces to cease aiding Taiwan militarily.

China Tells U.S. To End Military Contact with Taiwan

Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing told the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific July 23 that military exchanges with Taiwan must stop, given the “seriousness” of the cross-strait standoff.

“The United States should clearly understand the seriousness and sensitiveness of the Taiwan situation,” Li told Adm. Thomas Fargo, commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Command, who is in Beijing for talks.

He said arms sales to Taiwan should be halted and the U.S. must “stop its relevant military exchanges aiming to upgrade the substantial relationship with Taiwan,” the Xinhua news agency reported.

Fargo’s visit with senior Chinese defense officials comes just days after the U.S. State Department urged China and Taiwan to ensure that military exercises, which both sides are now conducting, are not provocative. U.S. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice visited Beijing a week ago, and her meetings with China’s leaders were dominated by Taiwan.

According to observers, China is getting increasingly edgy over U.S. military strategy in the region and has repeatedly called for Washington to stop arming Taiwan, which is considered a renegade province awaiting reunification — by force if necessary.

The United States has remained the leading arms supplier to Taiwan despite switching diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in 1979.

Under 25-year-old U.S. legislation, the United States is bound by law to provide weapons to help Taiwan defend itself if its security is threatened.

Cross-strait tension has been escalating since pro-independence Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian was reelected to office earlier this year.

Fargo, who is in charge of all U.S. military air, ground and naval forces in the Pacific and Indian Ocean areas, is also scheduled to meet with Chinese General Liang Guanglie, chief of the General Staff.

His swing through the region also includes stops in Mongolia, Guam and Japan.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

I'm pasting the whole article as it's from a pay site. (Although the article itself is from AFP, so it should be available soon elsewhere on the web.)

Looks like an escalation of rhetoric. China has been talking increasingly tough on Taiwan. Can we afford to continue provoking China? World War 1 started because of treaties... maybe it's time to cut Taiwan loose?

-koji K.

[edit on 24-7-2004 by koji_K]

posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 03:56 PM
whats china gonna do if we dont stop (and we probally wont) attack? does china really want to lose its miliatary to the US. not tomention other big countries could help us out like Russia and to a lesser extent japan. china had beter do its stretches if its thinking about messing with the US.

posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 04:01 PM
If you think the US will do a walk by on China like it did in Iraq you've got alot of research to do. A war with china would last years and hundreds of thousands of coalation forces will perish

posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 04:12 PM
I hate even thinking of the implications of a military confrontation with China over Taiwan. There has been massive speculation about recent military deployments, mainly involving U.S. aircraft carrier groups. But what if it is just a defensive measure against China? and has been all along?
I think at this point what is going on is more bark than bite. However if there is an escalation of tensions between China and the U.S.A. all we can do is hope it can be solved through diplomacy. A war with China would bring ruin to the whole world, and a horrific end to millions of human lives on both sides.

Remember when we were worried about nuclear war with the former USSR?

The world is changing at an astounding rate, and seems to be headed for war no matter what is being done to prevent it.

Peace is a thoughtful wish and a fading dream.

We can only hope that the dangerous time we now live in brings us a lasting wakening peace.


posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 04:36 PM
like rwsdakota said a mission in China by US will be a suicide for US, first China will never be Iraq the country is so heavy populated that a assault like in Afghanistan is out of the question and for Taiwan well they don't have anything that US may want or need like oil.

posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 12:45 PM
Apparently this has been going on for a while.

Here's an excerpt from a 199 Washington Post article:

During a visit to Beijing inOctober 1995, Chas Freeman, a former State Department official, was told by Xiong Guangkai, the deputy chief of staff for the People's LiberationArmy, that China was prepared to sacrifice millions of people in anuclear exchange to defend its interests in preventing Taiwan'sindependence. "You will not sacrifice Los Angeles to protect Taiwan,"Xiong told him.

The administration began taking small steps to counteract China's campaign of intimidation. In December, the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz sailed through the Taiwan Strait, claiming the unusual trip was made necessary by bad weather. But China did not blink; in February 1996, a month before Taiwan's presidential elections, the Chinese army sentabout 150,000 troops to China's southeastern coast for another round of military exercises. Then, on March 8, China started firing missiles once again into the waters off Taiwan. This time, the missiles landed considerably closer to the island.

China's message was unmistakable. Taiwan's stock market fell again, and people on the island lined up at banks to change their money into dollars. Taiwan's foreign-exchange reserves began dropping at the rate of $300 million to $500 million a day.

The Clinton administration decided that the time for quiet diplomacy had passed. The administration's senior foreign policy team gathered in Defense Secretary William Perry's office at the Pentagon on March 9, aSaturday. Everyone agreed a show of force was essential to reassure both Taiwan and American allies in Asia. The question was: How much force?"We wanted the egregious actions [by China] to stop," Perry laterexplained. "We did not want this to escalate. We considered sending one carrier, but decided that wasn't strong enough." In the end, they opted for two carriers--the Nimitz and the USS Independence--and support ships.

The result was that the United States deployed its largest armada in Southeast Asia since the end of the Vietnam War. Within days, the Independence was patrolling near the island, along with the missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill and a frigate, two destroyers and two submarines. The Nimitz arrived the following week, along with seven more warships.

No one sought to explain away the deployment by talking about badweather. "Beijing should know, and this U.S. fleet will remind them,that while they are a great military power, the strongest, the premier military power in the Western Pacific is the United States," Perry toldto one gathering on Capitol Hill.

Within a few days, the crisis ebbed. China ended its military exercises,and the Clinton administration withdrew the carriers. Taiwan held its presidential election, with Lee winning easily.

There are some NSA document regarding the Chinese Naval exercise here:

[edit on 25-7-2004 by AceOfBase]

posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 12:55 PM

Originally posted by rwsdakota
If you think the US will do a walk by on China like it did in Iraq you've got alot of research to do. A war with china would last years and hundreds of thousands of coalation forces will perish

Nobody is going to attack mainland China. The population alone is Waaaaay to big. However, defending Taiwan from Chinese agression is another thing. I agree with you if the US tried to invade the mainland expect them to roll over like the Iraqi army then we all are on crack.

posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 01:06 PM

I will say that the republican will not care if California is gone because California has always been a sore eye for the Republicans.

posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 01:20 PM

Originally posted by marg6043

I will say that the republican will not care if California is gone because California has always been a sore eye for the Republicans.

Yeah, I think they chose the wrong state to threaten.

posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 01:34 PM

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Yeah, I think they chose the wrong state to threaten.

Yes. Maybe Texas will strike Republicans directly in their heart

At least * wll care, since he has a ranch there.

posted on Jul, 25 2004 @ 02:13 PM
Are the tensions between Taiwan and China just more geopolitical theatre? If China were to impinge upon the freedoms and human rights of Taiwan, would the US not be duty bound to come to Taiwan's aid? Combine defense of Taiwan with combatting insurgency in Iraq - and perhaps more episodes of domestic terrorism - and it is a perfect recipe for instigating martial law.
China certainly does have something of value to the west: cheap labor.

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