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Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
That is not backed by scholarly work. I mean real scholars, not "scholars"
Now THERE'S a bit of the pot calling the kettle black!
Still waiting for YOUR evidence for confirmation that the Qur'an is factual from real scholars, rather than "scholars"...
Just sayin'...
Originally posted by nenothtu
In any even, I hold no fear or hope for any Djinn, good OR bad, whether they be spirit, alien, or imagination. However, "aliens" have been reported here, and since I know Djinn have no power here for whatever reason, I can be reasonably sure that Djinn and aliens are not the same thing.
LOL Allah is not a lunar deity. You know nothing about Islam. The Kaaba is a symbol representing Allah. Since there needed to be a universal direction to bow down to the Kaaba was made. It does not mean that Allah is inside it lmao. Allah is everywhere.
Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by DragonriderGal
Actually, I agree with at least part of what you said here, and perhaps most or even all of it. Before I respond any more fully, please do me the honor of answering a single question so that I know how to respond. Where do you believe, in the cosmogony you allude to there, that the Greys come from? In other words, where do you believe the Grey's Homeworld is?
Originally posted by jstanthrno1
What imaginations !!! Some of you should be writing books instead of posting here, you'd make millions..
Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by DragonriderGal
So you don't have a name to call it, then? There's a particular reason I ask this.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by skyjohn
All religious books belong with the fiction.
So you are saying the Koran is fiction? You must provide evidence that it is a work of fiction. Otherwise it is a fact.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
See previous two posts with list of scholars. They have not rejected the chapter in the koran dealing with jinn. Therefore it is authentic and verified.
Originally posted by DrChuck
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by skyjohn
All religious books belong with the fiction.
So you are saying the Koran is fiction? You must provide evidence that it is a work of fiction. Otherwise it is a fact.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
See previous two posts with list of scholars. They have not rejected the chapter in the koran dealing with jinn. Therefore it is authentic and verified.
The burden of proof falls on the one who asserts or makes a claim. Nobody here claimed anything, except you by submission of the thread. You must provide evidence that the the Koran is not a work of fiction. Having a bunch of scholars accepting or confirming the Koran doesn't make it fact.
I can write a novel describing the birth, life, accomplishments and failures of a spaghetti monster; and have IVY league professors accept it as fact. Would that be actual evidence that the spaghetti monster exists?
At one point in time all the scholars and great thinkers accepted the world was flat.
Originally posted by DragonriderGal
So, no name that I've encountered. I'm sure, like we call our world 'earth', they probably called theirs something too, but it hasn't come across to me. But I'll see if I can access it out in the spirit realm. A less reliable source, I've found, but I still can get some information there.
i believe in God (gods) with a small g ...i respect all religions ..the bible is a fascinating read once you take out the spiritual element ..the bible is not a book in its self rather than 7 books combined to create a "Religious belief.."most of the bible come's from a Sumerian source in which they believed in "living gods"
Originally posted by meathed
RELIGION is the BIGGEST hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.
Originally posted by sitchin
i believe in God (gods) with a small g ...i respect all religions ..the bible is a fascinating read once you take out the spiritual element ..the bible is not a book in its self rather than 7 books combined to create a "Religious belief.."most of the bible come's from a Sumerian source in which they believed in "living gods"
Originally posted by meathed
RELIGION is the BIGGEST hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.
Originally posted by DragonriderGal
Nah, they've been grooming us humans for millennia to be that gullible and weak.
I actually descend from caucasus and I know for sure no one bred my ancestors but themselves . On the other hand I can see exactly what you are saying and I agree with it because it is true for most human beings but not all human beings .
Behind various faces and masks through out the ages, they've been at it---since almost the beginning of our time of sentience, from what I see in the racial unconscious.
True , true .
They've always wanted to enslave humanity, but we're a difficult bunch to control, and thus far their biggest success was the dark ages.
Dark ages because it was the time to kill off the native knowledge so the knowledge can be hoarded and sold on to human beings for a price . I agree i guess . Bloody pharmasuiticals are at the forefront of it all .
Them on top and all the rest of us as peons and slaves. Just the way they like it and think it should be.
Unfortune as it is , you are not incorrect . The real question is this imho ; do humans like to be slaves once captured ?
Evidence suggest , yes , humans like slavery because it is easier .
Stampedes and Failures of Crowd ControlSometimes the surging crowds, trekking from one station of the pilgrimage to the next, cause a stampede. Panic spreads, pilgrims jostle to avoid being trampled, and hundreds of deaths can result. The Stoning of the Devil ceremony is particularly crowded and dangerous.
December 1975: An exploding gas cylinder caused a fire in a tent colony and resulted in the deaths of 200 pilgrims.
April 15, 1997: 343 pilgrims were killed and 1,500 injured in a tent fire in MINA on 8 zillhijja between 10 am to 12 pm.
Plains of Arafat on the day of HajjJuly 2, 1990 : A stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina, Saudi Arabia and the Plains of Arafat led to the deaths of 1,426 pilgrims.
November 20, 1979: A group of about 200 militants occupied the Grand Mosque, and later were expelled by
Pakistani and French forces (three Frenchmen, reportedly, who were converts to Islam.[7]), leaving about 250 dead, and 600 wounded.
July 31, 1987: Iranian pilgrims rioted, causing the deaths of over 400 people.
July 9, 1989: Two bombs exploded, killing 1 pilgrim and wounding another 16. Saudi authorities executed 16 Kuwaiti Shia Muslims for the bombings after originally suspecting Iranian terrorists.
May 23, 1994 : A stampede killed at least 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the Devil ritual.
April 9, 1998: at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge.
March 5, 2001: Thirty five pilgrims were trampled to death in a stampede during the stoning of the Devil ritual.
February 11, 2003: The stoning of the Devil ritual claimed 14 pilgrims' lives.[4]
February 1, 2004: 251 pilgrims were killed and another 244 injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina.
January 12, 2006: A stampede during the ritual ramy al-jamarāt on the last day of the Hajj in Mina killed at least 346 pilgrims and injured at least 289 more. The incident occurred shortly after 13:00 local time, when a busload of travellers arrived together at the eastern access ramps to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush. An estimated two million people were performing the ritual at the time.
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