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Originally posted by time91
reply to post by SuspiciousPeon
Sorry to link my own thread, but... The Good vs. Evil Paradigm
Interesting thoughts on the game being heroes controlled by gods... Still applies except it is not just heroes but everyone from leadership to heroes to pawns...The divisions within planes are irrelevant compared to the division between planes...
posted by time91
The Good vs. Evil Paradigm
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My point being, LOGIC>emotion, Truth>sensationalism. Free yourself from the BS on every side. Take emotion and conditioning out of the equation, do your own research.
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I don't wish to debate about these groups but hopefully to focus on the game of chess itself, and its possible allegorical meaning to the initiate, whether intended or not (but I believe it was)
Originally posted by time91
Is chess a masonic game?
The modern form of chess came about in Europe in the 15th century, as a modified version of an older Indian game. The first masonic lodges came about at least by the late 1600s but they were obviously part of a much older esoteric tradition.
I don't wish to debate about these groups but hopefully to focus on the game of chess itself, and its possible allegorical meaning to the initiate, whether intended or not (but I believe it was). The fact that the game came about just a few hundred years before masonic lodges and having read a lot of masonic literature I'm sure the tradition was around at the time.
First, and most obviously, the board is a checkerboard. The floor of a masonic lodge is a checkerboard also, supposedly symbolizing the path of positives and negatives or good and evil we must endure in our lives and enjoy with the help of divinity.
Taking this metaphor to a chess game, the pieces are like people who obey the will of divinity (the player) and with his/her help will succeed. Alternatively the pieces could be the profane who operate under the will of the adepts who operate on a higher plane. The higher plane must control the lower.
But at the end of the day, all the pieces go back in the same box, whether king or pawn or bishop.
Originally posted by time91
Going back in the same box is the only corollary? What about the board itself at least? Come on now...
Originally posted by time91
reply to post by OnTheLevel213
It seems like you started off thinking I was going to say freemasonry is satanic and went from there...?
I think there is nothing preventing the controller of the black pieces from understanding the symbolism as well, its part of duality.
The higher plane controlling the lower? I'm pretty sure that's part of Hermeticism, and has been expanded upon and defined by other groups as time went on. Not sure exactly if its taught in masonic lodges but Freemasons have written about it in the past, although they could have learned it somewhere else...
The floor of a masonic lodge is a checkerboard also, supposedly symbolizing the path of positives and negatives or good and evil we must endure in our lives and enjoy with the help of divinity.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
It is close but to be truly Masonic it must also have an indented tessel and blazing star which combined with the checkered floor complete the symbolism of that portion of the Entered Apprentice lecture and are a representation of the floor which supposedly occupied King Solomon's Temple.
Originally posted by OnTheLevel213
Masonry doesn't involve duality the way I think you're perceiving it. Yes, good and evil are concerned, but it's a much more conventional morality than is commonly thought.
Yes, but this kind of person-over-person "control" you seemed to find in Masonry isn't there.
“The initiates accepted the pyramid form as the ideal symbol of both the secret doctrine and those institutions established for its dissemination” -Manly P. Hall, Secret Teachings of All Ages
Originally posted by time91
reply to post by polarwarrior
Freemasons' draw their main tradition from Egypt because it is so important in human development (thought and understanding primarily) and other reasons like the pyramids were centers of initiation into the Egyptian priesthood guarded by the sphinx. Later the pyramid became the symbol for the hermetic schools, secret doctrine, etc. The second and probably more important tradition comes from Solomon's temple and the legends surrounding it.
Freemasons get much of their early initiations/symbols from stories passed down over the years about the building of Solomon's Temple by groups of masons led by Hiram Abiff, where there is enmity between both Hiram and Solomon due to their status
and Hiram and three lower level masons who wanted the password to the higher degrees.
Back when operative masonry was the only kind (supposedly) passwords meant guaranteed jobs and greater freedom than other masons had. These three men attacked Hiram 3 times and demanded the password but he refused and was killed (lots of differing views in my reading on whether the attack was allegorical and if so the meaning behind it).
After Hiram died the password was actually changed because the remaining masons no longer believed it was safe.
According to one book I read the master mason today receives this replacement word (although it may have changed more over the years, I'm unsure). The royal arch mason receives the original password.
Originally posted by OnTheLevel213
Actually, Hiram Abiff and Solomon are indicated as friends and colleagues in the blue lodge ritual (though they never actually interact).
While I'll admit to never reading Hall, the debate on allegory normally concerns Hiram Abiff being exhumed versus resurrected, not his murder.
Sort of. In the tradition as spoken of in the ritual, the Masonic three Grand Masters (Hiram Abiff, Hiram King of Tyre, and King Solomon) each had to be present to confer the Master's Word. With Hiram dead, the word was lost, and a new one was substituted.
You'll understand if my obligations mean I can't speak to this.
Originally posted by time91
I read a book about the full legends of what happened around the building of Solomon's Temple that claimed there was a rivalry between the two, although they were certainly working together still.
Hall says nearly everything is an allegory or has a dual meaning intended. Some of it is convincing and I believe to have some truth to it.
Yes, but now the door is open for speculation .
Originally posted by time91
Hall says nearly everything is an allegory or has a dual meaning intended. Some of it is convincing and I believe to have some truth to it.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by time91
Going back in the same box is the only corollary? What about the board itself at least? Come on now...
It is close but to be truly Masonic it must also have an indented tessel and blazing star which combined with the checkered floor complete the symbolism of that portion of the Entered Apprentice lecture and are a representation of the floor which supposedly occupied King Solomon's Temple.
edit on 4-4-2011 by AugustusMasonicus because: Networkdude has no beer.