Faked images from our trip to the moon?, page 2
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reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:13 PM by backinblack
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"That's basically a pretty big rocket engine — just above where the flag is located — and when they did that, it blew over the antenna that was communicating with the Earth and it rotated the flag about 120 degrees."


Oh, is that the "pretty big rocket engine" that didn't create a crater on landing??

Umm, hang on, no, that was the even bigger rocket in the descent stage...


reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:15 PM by grizzle2
Originally posted by weedwhackerThe "man" in this video you saw wouldn't have been Ralph Rene', would it?? He was a loon, a crackpot, and none too bright.....same with Bill Kaysing. Or......(Shock of shocks!) NOT that kid from Oz??? He's not all there....or else, he IS, but just promoting himself....using the gulliblity and ignrance of Moon "hoax" believers, to further his media "career"....


Gee, I can't argue with all those ad hominem attacks. I guess you've proved your point.

Ad Hominem

"An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.[1] The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy,....

Ad hominem abuse (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions..."

Logical Fallacy

Maybe for an encore you can post a video of yourself yelling (like David Klass), "You're a God-D*** liar!!!!"

That would show everyone.

I'm just sayin.



reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:18 PM by cheri2012
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all I can say is my dad is an ex-navy seal and he said he has seen the evidence and yes we did go to the moon. he says it is not fake.


reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:20 PM by grizzle2
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Let me ask you something - would you go through the Van Allen belts and stand on the surface of the moon with no more protection from x-rays, microwaves and hard cosmic rays than a thin-walled aluminum ship and a linen suit with aluminum foil sewed into it?

edit: Oh yeah I forgot the gamma rays.
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reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:26 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by ItsEvolutionBaby



Yes.....yes, yes, yes....

Ever hear about Stanley Kubrick and the filming of 2001 A Space Odyssey ...


AND....go rent the movie again, and watch the Moon scenes closely. For the mistakes!

Oh....and the "Moon" sets used in the film? They look NOTHING like the real thing.

.


reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:26 PM by EssenceOfSilence
Originally posted by TKDRL
Yahoo

MONTREAL - Did all the manned U.S. lunar landings between July 1969 and December 1972 actually take place or were they hoaxes?

A Canadian book publisher has taken a closer look at images acquired by the Apollo 14 astronauts just before they left the moon 40 years ago.

What Robert Godwin uncovered will probably provide more ammunition for those who doubt a U.S. astronaut ever set foot on Earth's celestial neighbour.

Apollo 11 astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin are credited with being the first humans to set foot on the moon, on July 20, 1969.

One frequently used argument is that video of the Stars and Stripes planted on lunar soil appears to show the flags blowing in the wind — even though there's no atmosphere on the moon.

Godwin says two frames of film taken from the Apollo 14 lunar lander in February 1971 may lead some people to believe that's true.
In one frame, the American flag is pointed to the right, while in another frame, it's pointing in another direction — to the left.

Godwin, 53, says he was drawn to Apollo 14 after viewing high-resolution images of that landing site which were taken recently by a lunar reconnaissance satellite.

"I've watched every scrap of film, every scrap of video and looked at every single photograph I got from NASA," he told The Canadian Press in an interview from Toronto. That amounts to about 40,000 still pictures and "many, many hours of film footage" — and all TV footage from Apollo 11 through Apollo 17. (The Apollo 13 mission had to be aborted before the spacecraft reached the moon).

He tried to stitch together a composite picture to show the entire view out the window of "Antares", the Apollo 14 lunar lander, using some photos.

Godwin said one still image was missing — but, fortunately, the astronauts had filmed it with a movie camera from almost exactly the same location.

"So I went to grab the final part of the missing panorama from the 16-millimetre movie and in the process of doing that I realized there was this interesting disparity between frames on the 16-millimetre film," he told The Canadian Press. "My first reaction was: 'What's going on here? How is it possible that the flag can turn around 120 degrees?'."



In the takeoff picture, the flag is pointing away from the rover I think it is called?


Here the flag is pointing at the rover.
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After viewing the photos and thinking about the point of view they were taken from, it appears to me the flag was not pointing in opposite directions. The difference you see is only a change in the point of view of the camera.

In the first image, the point of view was above and a little behind the LEM or landing craft. The second image is from the front of the craft and to the left looking back at the craft.

These point of view differences will account for the direction reversal.

And yes, some one could have moved the flag also, but it doesn't matter, the difference can be explained easily with the point of view change.


reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:29 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by grizzle2



You haven't done your research into the actual radiation attentuation provided by the spacecraft walls, all the various materials, and the suits too.

This has been covered at GREAT lengths, already.

DO the research.

The total radiation exposure to those men was on the order of a lifetime of chest x-rays, or MRI scans. Most of them suffered from cataracts, as they aged. One of the lingering consequences of the (slightly) elevated dosages.


HOT off the UTube! Posted up yesterday!!!:

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reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:30 PM by grizzle2
reply to post by weedwhacker




C shmee. The central isssue for me is the radiation. Why have all the subsequent space missions been in low earth orbit? Is there nothing of any interest at higher altitudes?
Could it be that (as according to Van Allen and the US Army) if you went through the belts you would fry like a breaded steak? X-rays, neutrons, gamma rays, microwaves, hard cosmic rays. The aluminum would actually accelerate the neutrons, like the "window" on a neutron gun. Did all the Apollo mission astronauts just get lucky? I'm just sayin.


reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:31 PM by kinda kurious
Originally posted by backinblack
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post by kinda kurious



"That's basically a pretty big rocket engine — just above where the flag is located — and when they did that, it blew over the antenna that was communicating with the Earth and it rotated the flag about 120 degrees."


Oh, is that the "pretty big rocket engine" that didn't create a crater on landing??

Umm, hang on, no, that was the even bigger rocket in the descent stage...


FYI I am quoting the author of the article in OP who debunks the "selected" quotes in OP. I am remaining ON TOPIC with laser like focus as my point is sloppy investigation on part of OP rather than yet another he said-she said Moon hoax thread. We clear?

The Moon Hoax is what brought me to ATS over 4 years ago and I was in hoax camp. The members here have convinced me otherwise to my satisfaction with interminable and irrefutable proof. It is doubtful I'd be swayed back but thanks for the stoke.

In short and IMHO, there is more proof to suggest we went than that which suggests we didn't.

My .02¢
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reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:42 PM by backinblack
reply to post by kinda kurious



I am remaining ON TOPIC with laser like focus as my point is sloppy investigation on part of OP rather than yet another he said-she said Moon hoax thread. We clear?


Crystal clear..

Just pointing out the engine did NOT rotate the flag 120 degrees..
Firstly because they tell us it hardly moves dust but secondly because if it did then it would only twist the flag, not the pole..
The pics do not show a flag twisted around the pole..


reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:45 PM by grizzle2
reply to post by weedwhacker



Yeah yeah yeah, I know all about it. Some of the hard cosmic rays are iron nuclei travelling with the force of a tennis ball going 76 mph. But it's an iron nuclei, so if it happens to pass through you, RIP. But you don't need such a relatively rare event to spoil your two weeks or so in space. There's plenty of lesser radiation which would practically cook you if you tried to transit the belts in a thin-walled aluminum ship in a linen suit with aluminum foil sewn in.
Like hard x-rays, gamma rays, microwaves and I'm sure I mentioned neutrons, which would be accelerated by the aluminum when they passed through it. The moon mission astronauts should not have returned alive.
Ask anyone who checks for defects in steel with a cobalt 60 source if they'll get anywhere near it with only thin aluminum for shielding. Or radiologists if it's safe to hang out near an x-ray machine in an aluminum foil suit.
Years ago, I read Van Allen's original research, which was done with the help of the US Army, with rockets which carried sensors to high altitudes.
I'm just sayin.

By the way, we're waiting for that info on the radiation shielding properties of thin aluminum sheet metal and aluminum foil. Thanks.


reply posted on 3-4-2011 @ 09:49 PM by backinblack
reply to post by kinda kurious


Oh dang, somebody stop me.


OK, I'll try...

I'm on the fence but how can I accept information supposedly collected during the very missions some believe were faked, to prove they actually took place??

Bit of a dilemma huh??
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