posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 03:33 PM
Here we go on religion... this should be interesting.
I don't really know what I am. In order of occurrence I have been a baptist, a satanist, an athiest, a baptist, an agnostic, and now somewhere in the
middle between agnostic and baptist.
First I'll get to the actual topic of this thread. It seems to me that if there is a God, then there was always religion and the oldest religion is
the true one. (My guess is that it vaguely resembles what Sumeria believed, which had connections to what the Hebrews believed, which evolved into
what Baptists believe- so long story short I believe there are a lot of half-right religions.)
If there isn't a god though, then religion would have started when man gained the complex reasoning ability and the language to match it that was
required to ask "why am i here". Super-natural seeming powers would have grabbed the imagination of early believers. The sun is the first and most
obvious God. Then volcanos, earthquakes, and storms have to be considered. For costal people you've got to wonder about that huge constantly moving
sea, and why doesn't all water mover like that. So nature worship would be one of the first religions, and it could take the shape of every other
religion as it evolved.
It is important to realize that not all ancient civilizations believe in the exact same thing. They all believe in something mystical, because they
didn't understand science. There was no alternative. But there are big differences too. I think it was the Norse who believed that Earth occupied the
middle ground between a place of ice and a place of fire. The Greeks believed that the Gods were this big dysfunctional family of super-humans who
lived on a mountain. The Egyptian religion revolved around the passage of Ra through the sky and the way that every other God helped or opposed him.
Now for some good old religious guesswork (because thats all religion is- even athiesm). The theory of nothingness before and after death is a little
hard for me to swallow until I know for sure how consciousness works. Energy never ceases to exist. It can be dissipated, but you can't get something
for nothing and you can't create nothingness out of something. So, if there is anything physical at all about the "soul" then in some shape or form
you must always exist (of course if you define your "self" as the specific configuration of energy that makes you up, then I suppose that's no
longer true- in fact you aren't even the same self for your whole life then, AND if you ever re-occured at random you wouldn't have any knowledge of
your prior self, right?)
If the "soul" is intangible it opens up an even bigger can of worms and then we get heavily into pure mystical religion where science and logic may
not be able to help us much.
I can't tell you all anything about God. I think he and I sat down and discussed the entire truth of the universe once, but the whole thing just
slipped by mind afterward, and I can't get it back.
All I know is that everyone's theories make difficult assumptions. Every theory of origin includes either inifite existence, something from nothing,
The world implies intelligent design though. It could be self-organized, or it could be a pure accident, but the odds are astronomical.
So let me pose a little question to the athiests- Would you consider the existence of "intelligence" stopping short of God? For example, would you
find it remotely possible that the the universe as a whole is conscious, just as we, being only an arrangement of matter, are conscious, and that the
universe formed itself into what it is?