posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 09:18 AM
I realise you are a misguided homophobe, but maybe you should ponder a few things about biblical Hebrew writings which you probably cannot even read
in the original Hebrew anyway... but here goes.
l. David and Jonathan: I'm sure you've heard of that pair.
Seems like the two of them were "sleeping together" or at any rate exchanging a lot more than underwear and armour.
Read 1 Samuel chapter 20 over a few hundred times.
In English if that's the only language you can read.
Maybe you'll get the drift that King Saul was none to pleased about his little boy and David shall we say doing more than just holding hands ("dont
you know that you have CHOSEN TO MARRY the SON OF JESSE to the CONFUSION OF YOUR MOTHER'S NAKEDNESS? How will your DYNASTY be ESTABLISHED by doing
David was married to several females and had children by them, so we can assume some sort of bisexuality was at play here. Jonathan managed to pop out
a crippled son, whom David later adopted after Jonathan and King Saul died in battle...
The ancient middle was swarming with bisexual unions, but not a lot of emphasis was placed on this fact in ancient literature: it was probably
accepted as long as healthy sons were produced along the way...sort of like in Greece if you read Plato (you'd have to read it in English however
since you cannot read ancient Greek either apparently)
FYI There is no exact word for what we would call "homosexuality" in ancient Hebrew: there are a number of CULTIC refereneces to homosexual acts on
the altar (sometimes translated as "CONFUSION" in English e.g. a woman wearing a man's clothing or man on man ritual sex which was regarded as
ritual "Toqeboth" (ritual abomination, the same word used for such acts as screwing your own Aunt like Moses' father Amram did with Auntie
Yoshabed, or wearing cotton and linen together in the same garment, that's a real Toqebah to Yahweh, he hates that to pieces for some reason-- and of
course that and planting two different kinds of seeds in the same field...that's another Toqebah ("a ritual abomination to the god Yahweh")
2. As for Jesus' attitude on sodomy or homosexual acts: he is silent on that subject (along with several hundred other subjects!) We read in John's
Gospel that Jesus seems to have had someone referred to as "THE DISCIPLE WHOM IESOUS LOVED" as LEANING UPON HIS BREAST" at some kind of last
supper meal, sharing whispers.... sounds like the SON OF DAVID was ACTING LIKE DAVID...
But PAUL NEVER MET R. Ywhoshua bar Yosef the Galilean (Greek: IESOUS (English "Jesus") in person, only in DREAMS AND VISIONS (like my cook) so
ultimately he has no true Apostolic Authority despite his wimpy claims to the contrary to having "seen the Lord" during a lightning storm (light,
and Qol or "Thunder" were apparently present during his "vision").
Any pontificating blabbering out of Saul of Tarsus ("Paul") should be seen as harmless meandering pseudo rabinniic commentary, and not as "holy
writ" by Christians, most of whom assume he was one of the 12 apostles for some reason, even though Shimeon bar Yonah (ha Kephah "Peter") hated him
(Acts 15) as well as the blood brother of "Jeeezuz" (R. Yakkov bar Yosef ha Tsaddiq or James the Just) who also thought him a heretic.
Whether this Saul of Tarsus personage was "homosexual", "bisexual" or "a-sexual" is a matter of debate and ultimately unprovable since we cannot
interview the man.
He spoke of "a thorn in his side" ref sex in general which sounds like he suffered from some sort of guilt complex about sexuality ("of the
flesh") in general.
We find the same kind of general anti sex anti women talk among the Dead Sea Scroll community who regarded their own core monks (who were celibates)
among them (at Qumran, "Damascus") as "angels in heaven without sexual desires" etc.
The Ebionites (alligned with Peter and James the Just as part of the Nazorean, Torah-abiding anti-Pauline Messianic movement in early Christianity
centered around the family of Jesus) claimed that Paul tried to get himself engaged to the high Priest's daughter in Jerusalem (so that one day he
could be high priest himself) and when this plan went awry, he left mainstream Sadduccean Judaeim and became a Pharisee, later an anti-Torah abiding
"Pauline" Gentile Friendly "Christian" who as some have already pointed out, corrupted and twisted and confused the original Nazorean Messianic
message which "was intended for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel only" (Matthew chapter 15)...
I suspect that "Paul" was one of those people who believed that having any kind of sexual contact at all was ultimately pointeless since he
believed the end of the world was going to happen any minute for most of his preaching career (like Jesus and Peter's and James Nazorean
Messianists" who said "in the Last Days and in the Resurrection, there will be no Marriage or Giving in marriage but all will act like the
(Unfallen) Angels in Heaven..." i.e. without carnal desire).
"Paul" the Tarsian Jew might also have been shall we say "put off" by all the homosexual activities that he would have witnessed first hand in all
those Roman and Greek prisons he was confined in for so many months at a time....to say nothing of the bi-sexuality of the larger Greco-Roman
"Hellenistic" world in general outside of prisons (e.g. the man-boy love we see so prominantly among the Greco philosophical elite etc.)