1000 Dead Bodies found in Ivory Coast - Why no NATO intervention??

More news that just angers me even more about our own countries Governments and leaders.

Why is it we are gung ho on Libya, but we just stand by the shadows and watch this mess unfolding before our eyes?

G.

reply to post by grantbeed


No country in the world will attack another either to "free" the people or to "conquer" them without their being some form of benefit to the country doing the attacking. It is a logical fallacy to do otherwise as the attacker will sustain casualties and a money-drain by doing so if there are no economic or resourceful benefits.

Well they have oil so watch this space.allafrica.com...

reply to post by tarifa37


Yes but in the case that NATO did attack the Ivory Coast with that as a benefit, it would require an occupation whereas you have a rebellion already in action in Lybia.

reply to post by grantbeed


I hope this is a rhetorical question.

NATO and especially the US is not now nor have we ever been interested in humanitarian reasons for becoming involved in combat.

If NATO becomes involved it is to protect international commerce (Oil mainly) if the US becomes involved it is either for the same reason as NATO or for a strategic advantage over our largest economic enemies.

There is nothing in the Ivory Coast that is of significant economic or strategic value.

Again wars are not fought for humanitarian purposes.

I can actually see why NATO wouldn't get involved with where the Ivory Coast is located. But why the U.N. and African Union aren't demanding intervention after this discovery is beyond me. It does look like the AU has been trying to work with the dictator, which is what I'd consider somebody who lost the election but will not step down, but he will not work with them.

Ouattara rejects African Union envoy in Ivory Coast political standoff

The internationally recognized president of Ivory Coast said he rejects the latest African Union envoy selected to help resolve the nation's tense political standoff.

The African Union on Saturday chose the ex-foreign minister of Cape Verde to help implement proposed solutions to the stalemate, which began when incumbent leader Laurent Gbagbo refused to step down after November elections.

Election officials and the international community consider Alassane Ouattara the rightful winner of the vote.

Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by grantbeed

 

No country in the world will attack another either to "free" the people or to "conquer" them without their being some form of benefit to the country doing the attacking. It is a logical fallacy to do otherwise as the attacker will sustain casualties and a money-drain by doing so if there are no economic or resourceful benefits.

edit on 3-4-2011 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)

Amen to that Brotha! Rwanda was a good example of that. Bill Clinton sleeps just fine at night and I often wonder what he tells himself that allows him to do that. Thats what I would ask if I ever got to meet him, straight up!

This problem has been going on for months. The conflict is between the old and new leader after an election. France wanted to send an army down there last December, thankfully it did not or else the fighting would have been a lot worst. Currently there are UN peace keepers on the ground in Ivory Coast. The African Union has been working towards a peaceful resolution.

The issues of leadership are not new to African Nations, but they do need to learn how to sort out their own problems. On the big picture of things I think there has been a lot of good ground and important lessons learnt in being able to hold back the conflict for about 4 - 5 months. Looking back on previous events, this issue is going to pop up again somewhere. Hopefully there will be better collaboration to help sort it out without bloodshed.

As for NATO, this does not directly affect any NATO countries and is not their fight.

Simple answer.
NO OIL

The U.N. has "peacekeepers" in the Ivory Coast .... that's why NATO is "silent" .... for now.

200 UN Peacekeeper Troops ‘Unaware’ of 1,000 Massacred in Ivory Coast....

With the international coalition’s military intervention in Libya underway, Ouattara, the internationally recognised winner of the presidential vote, has explicitly asked the UN mission in Ivory Coast to “proceed to action” and to “use legitimate force” to protect civilians endangered by post-election violence in his country. “Considering the gravity and urgency of the situation … the government is asking the UN Security Council to adopt a resolution authorising immediate use of legitimate force,” read his statement, which was drafted from the Golf Hotel, where Ouattara has been living since the independent electoral commission declared him the winner.

If confirmed UN troops were in the area a shadow should be cast on the U.N., who, earlier this month, was so gravely concerned about the citizens of Libya and a potential massacre they passed U.N. sanctions against Moammar Gaddafi then passed a hurried a No Fly Zone resolution which led to joint US-NATO airstrikes against Gaddafi’s forces. The U.S., NATO forces backing the still murky ‘opposition’.

On Thursday, two days after the massacre in Ivory Coast the U.S. military inexplicably announced they were ending airstrikes in Libya.

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– Sat Mar 5, 1:53 pm ET

Nicholas Vinocur and Tim Cocks

PARIS/ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast (Reuters) – U.N. peacekeepers in Ivory Coast will be reinforced by 2,000 soldiers and have received two combat helicopters to face worsening violence between rival political factions, a U.N. official said.

The 8,000-strong United Nations force is trying to keep a stand-off between rival presidential claimants Laurent Gbagbo and Alassane Ouattara from tipping into a civil war, as clashes between factions loyal to each side grow increasingly violent.

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it's all about the Central Bank Cartel.....and the West African Economic and Monetary Union....


www.csmonitor.com...


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reply to post by grantbeed


To answer your question:

1.) Libyan rebels asked for international assistance and got it, albeit a month after the first request, but they got it nonetheless.

2.) NATO/UN/USA were involved in Libya because for one Libya is in an area geographically which could affect Italy and other NATO countries that border the Mediterranean, therefore NATO and European Mediterranean countries took the initiative in regards to the operation.

3.) The AU (African Union) is responsible for internal conflicts in Africa, and if they ask the UN for assistance, I'm sure it will be given.

4.) The US is not the world's police force. Some people on here complain at times when the US "sticks their nose" in other countries' business without consent or request. The AU has not asked for international assistance in the matter.

5.) In the early 1990's the UN intervened in Somalia, led by the USA. We tried to oust Aidid's oppressive regime and failed to do so, we lost men (Battle of Mogadishu), and thusly withdrew in 1995. 20 years later, Somalia is more or less in the same situation. Our military's current state of being engaged in multiple theaters makes initiating another one precarious. Hypothetically, if we were to intervene in the Ivory Coast, we'd have to put a considerable amount of men on the ground, possibly reducing the strength/morale of troops in other theaters because of redeployments and such.

Originally posted by meathed
Simple answer.
NO OIL

there is a little oil, but not much ..... yet.

countrystudies.us...


but then we see this opinion:


www.henrymakow.com...

Ivory Coast Crisis is About Oil


'An unprecedented disinformation campaign is being orchestrated to justify foreign intervention in the Ivory Coast to unseat the Preseident Laurent Gbagbo and replace him with Alassane Dramane Ouattara, a stooge totally devoted to the interests of multinationals.

Alassane Ouattara is the former Deputy CEO of the IMF, and former Prime Minister of Houphouet-Boigny who in 1990 administered an IMF plan which plunged the Ivorian people into a profound social and economic distress. He is the puppet" nominated" by the major powers to lead the Ivory Coast and to ensure that their interests are not threatened by the presence of uncompromising and patriotic men such as Laurent Gbagbo, a long time opponent of Houphouet (1970-1990's.).....

French and American imperialist powers have agreed to remove Gbagbo who is guilty of pursuing a national policy prejudicial to their profits......

Another intolerable offense was that Gbagbo dared to open the roads leading to oil in the Gulf of Guinea to emerging rivals such as China and Russia! To inflict deserved correction, Sarkozy has rallied to the U.S to crush the recidivist offender Gbagbo and in the process any eventual nationalist leader that would dare frolic with" their oil reserves and minerals"

reply to post by xuenchen


Thanks.
Point taken.
I learn something new everyday ( Thats what i love about ATS)
So it seems more like the leaders want to depopulate and then control, it seems that this is happening more and more.
Scary, scary world.

Peace
meathed

IDK? How much oil do they got?

reply to post by xuenchen


It is very surprising to hear Ouattara is part of the IMF, but he is www.imf.org... . Also explains why France was so keen to get involved earlier with his part in BCEAO. I am sure Africa would be a lot better off without the rest of the world was not playing games over it.

Originally posted by PinkAndBlack
IDK? How much oil do they got?

How Much Oil does WHO got?

repeet the qestion pleese.

Looks like the French have moved in.

Ivory Coast: French forces take over Abidjan airport

France has sent extra troops to Ivory Coast's main city, Abidjan, and taken control of its airport.

A French military spokesman told the BBC there was a security vacuum as forces formerly loyal to incumbent Laurent Gbagbo changed sides.

Fighting continues between Mr Gbagbo's troops and supporters of his rival, UN-recognised President Alassane Ouattara.

The city's pro-Gbagbo TV station called for people to mobilise against the French '"occupation".

Mr Ouattara's forces are reported to be planning a further advance towards the presidential palace and have imposed a curfew on the city.

UN spokesman Hamadoun Toure told the BBC he had heard gunfire near the palace, adding that the situation was very tense.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


With the French stepping in I can see support for Gbagbo rising along with the bloodshed. People will pissed just because another nation is stepping in and it comes across as an invasion regardless of the reasons.

They export Cocoa not Crude.
Cocoa is not of strategic importance to the US or Europe.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
They export Cocoa not Crude.
Cocoa is not of strategic importance to the US or Europe.

Really? No crude?

Cote d'Ivoire

Natural resources: Petroleum (offshore) discovered in 1977, production began in 1980. According to Ivorian Government figures, exports of crude oil and refined oil products totaled $2.97 billion (f.o.b.) in 2008. Gold mining began in the early 1990s.