800 dead in Ivory coast, when are we going to get involved?

I feel sorry for Africa when France gets done with them. Just look at Haiti after France got done with them.

www.wikileaks.de...

¶37. (C) But, will France-Afrique and old habits ever
completely fade? One MOD contact, not known for
sentimentality, believes that certain parts of France-Afrique
will endure, if for no other reason than the common use of
the French language and long intertwined histories.
Prefacing his remarks by noting their lack of "political
correctness" and their triteness, he says that the
relationship was for a long time similar to a parent-child
relationship. "Now, the child is an adult, capable of and
deserving of more autonomy, yet still welcoming our help and
guidance. What Sarkozy is doing is kicking the fledgling out
of the nest, which is sort of the way he approaches a lot of
problems. A heavy dose of what you might call 'tough love,'
not always dispensed lovingly. Eventually, the now-grown
adult child will be replaced by something resembling a cousin
or a nephew. We will grow farther apart and less apt to look
to each other reflexively, but some familial bond will
remain, however much we may seek to deny it, and familial
bonds are always to be nurtured. Our job is to make sure
that this inevitable drifting apart takes place positively on
both sides, does not completely extinguish the bond, and,
most importantly, does not turn into an estrangement. That
would be a loss for everyone -- French, Africans, and
Americans."

"What Sarkozy is doing is kicking the fledgling out
of the nest, which is sort of the way he approaches a lot of
problems. A heavy dose of what you might call 'tough love,'
not always dispensed lovingly. "

Strange way of describing France/Africa agenda?

If France or anyone else thinks that they can control Africa, then theyre in for a very rude awakening. Id say that 95% of the countries on that continent are completely lost and completely un-tamable

reply to post by TriForce


France military bases in Africa.

There is no oil in Ivory Coast. Therefore we will not get involved. US has no interest if we do not gain anything.

reply to post by BLKMJK

Hmmmm...commonality with Rwanda. It also is consistent with population reduction. But I thot that Bill and Melinda Gates said that one life is worth the same as another (even Billionaires?? )

Originally posted by BLKMJK
Oh wait, they're blacks. We don't care if they kill each other.
Continue on with the rest of your weekend U.S.

Such a cynical view.

If you look to your history you will see that in 1991 the UN and the UK in particular helped bring an end to the grubby violence and anarchy which afflicted Sierra Leone. Some nations (it seems) just cannot snap out of their cycle of perpetual violence.

UN peacekeepers are present in quiet a few “black” African countries risking their lives daily Sudan, Liberia, Congo, Ivory Coast to name but four from the top of my head. The UN and the West directs vast amounts of resources and aid to help African nations and people. I think if you researched this topic more closely you would see that the West and the rest of the world does care about Africa.

I am not sure of the amount of aid which the US directs to Africa, but you could safely assume that without it a large number of Africans would be severely disadvantaged.

This time around the grubby violence may be temporary and (as usual for Africa) is self imposed. We can hope that it will be short lived and the common sense will prevail.

Regards

reply to post by paraphi


The topic creator said he was a child still. He would not know about the efforts that various organizations do to help sub saharan / southern Africa. His post is out of ignorance... he may not be a cynic.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by TriForce

 

France military bases in Africa.

Having a presence there is far from controlling. The US has bases ALL over Afghanistan and look where were at with that.

reply to post by TriForce


I found this article interesting. It talks about France using Afrrica as a chance to stay in a seat of power.

stratsisincite.wordpress.com...

The tensions with certain African presidents overshadow a more important issue: France’s dependence upon Africa as a validation of its geopolitical clout. What is called Francophone Africa stretches from the deserts in the north down into central Africa. But France’s ability — and willingness — to expend financial resources and maintain influence in Africa has declined in recent years.

France always has backed up its claim that it is a leading power in world affairs by wielding influence in Africa. France has had access to Africa due to its former colonial presence on the continent: influence with a host of African countries increases Paris’ dominance over vast natural resources, sea-lanes and markets. However, over the last few decades, this influence has declined as the United States has pushed into African affairs and the state of the French economy has limited Paris’ ability to finance African policy objectives.

Now, Paris has a greater need to appear powerful because of its apparent inability to stop a U.S. war on Iraq. But rather than appearing more politically potent, France instead looks more and more desperate. The country’s desperation over its apparent global impotence could lead Paris to adopt more radical policies in the coming days. And the one place it still has the ability — albeit limited — to project power is Africa.

I dont know about anyone else but ive never considered France to be a threat to anybody, at least not since the Napoleon era.
The may still have a bit of Political Clout in the world but without their nukes, they are nothing militarily.

reply to post by TriForce


They are trying to take over key African Union countries in order to have power over all of Africa. France is losing power with the powerful elite. What better way to win over the powerful elite then to offer a large group of countries. Remember a country only has global power if they are partners with the global elite. Countries offer up there citizens as piggy banks for stealing money in order to gain the friendship of the global elite and have the power of the global corporations on there side. Thats why France tryed to pass the EU rule of takeing away the benifits to citizens and giving tax breaks to the global corporations.

Anything in it for the sociopatic multinational corporations? Any oil or resources to steal from the indigenous people? No? Sorry, we don't care about human suffering. We only care about profits!

Does anyone even know the nature of the conflict is on the Ivory Coast?

Perhaps the reason no real militaristic country gets involved with the Ivory Coast is because they realize that the conflict isn't a natural internal conflict.

Personally I think it was fabricated by certain corporations to keep the price of diamonds (and whatever else comes out of there) high. If your "resource" is "harder" to get, the more you can jack the price up. And the real conflict is for a group of locals to control the country in order to gain access to the resource distribution.

And since the world can't drive their cars on diamonds, even the US has to pick and choose its targets.

You do realize that if the US suddenly moves out of the "oil country" conflicts, China and Russia will move right in and take over. Then you'll really see the some changes to the price of goods..

Exactly why should we (the US) sacrifice our own to save those who will not save themselves?
Why must we die to save every nation on Earth from itself?

They just need to duke it out - winner take all.
It is none of our business.

reply to post by juniperberry


We have plenty of our own oil.
We absolutely do not need Arab oil, Lybian oil, or any other.
We agreed to buy Arab oil if they would buy US treasuries....research it.

And we really don't NEED chocolate or ivory.

Dang! More fighting!
Looks like Im gonna get deployed a lot this band coming up.

Here you go

Here comes the UN........... mainly France because France has Nationals 'at Stake'


Better late than never.

www.bbc.co.uk...

PDUK