Do the Terminally Ill Have a Right to Die?, page 14

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reply posted on 8-4-2011 @ 07:13 AM by NeverSleepingEyes

reply to post by sugarcookie1

thanks for this sincere expression of compassion.

reply posted on 8-4-2011 @ 07:19 AM by catwhoknowsplusone

We put animals down when they are suffering.

The same should apply to humans. We are animals too.

reply posted on 8-4-2011 @ 09:13 AM by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
We put animals down when they are suffering.

The same should apply to humans. We are animals too.

While I appreciate the positive intention of this post (if we can act compassionately when confronted with animals suffering, why can't we do the same for people), I would like to make one remark.

it's just not a good idea to take this principe as is and apply it to humans,
the main differences being that in normal circumstances we don't ask the animal's approval
and that the human animal is supposed to be able to indicate when suffering is too much.

reply posted on 8-4-2011 @ 03:28 PM by sugarcookie1

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
We put animals down when they are suffering.

The same should apply to humans. We are animals too.

While I appreciate the positive intention of this post (if we can act compassionately when confronted with animals suffering, why can't we do the same for people), I would like to make one remark.

it's just not a good idea to take this principe as is and apply it to humans,
the main differences being that in normal circumstances we don't ask the animal's approval
and that the human animal is supposed to be able to indicate when suffering is too much.

That's is the difference.. All we can do with animals is judge for ourselves how much pain there in they cant tell us..I had my dog put to sleep last year that i had as a kid he could no longer walk and was 17 years old and i could see he was in misery but that was my choice not his..
As humans we know when we have had enough and life is unbearable and can tell others our wishes unless were in a coma then its usually left up to others..

reply posted on 8-4-2011 @ 03:29 PM by sugarcookie1

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

You are welcome..

reply posted on 9-4-2011 @ 10:17 PM by NuclearMitochondria

After going through around a year of pure hell, and I mean to the point of almost death... I strongly support euthanasia.

I endured so much pain, beyond what I thought was possible; to the point it's physically scarred me. I fear dying, but I don't fear death.

Sure, people could say "well you got through it", but I was in a case where I wasn't going to die-- but just continually suffer. After getting through what I did... I cannot imagine how bad dying is.
People say they don't remember pain... or even child birth (one of the most painful things out there, then again I have no experience nor can I have a child). I agree, I can't remember times where I tore off much of my arms skin or fell face first onto the pavement at high speed (oh that was bad

), but I can vividly remember how horrible the experience was where I just sat there motionless and in constant misery beyond description of any language. This experience alone moved me from "on the fence" to "strongly pro-choice". I can't remember being sewn up alive (I had a HUGE cut and the anesthetics didn't work, that REALLY sucked), but I can instantly recall how horrible the decay I went through was.

Though I personally wouldn't believe in just giving up straight away. If I got an illness that may not be terminal I'd fight it every step of the way until I couldn't fight anymore. Then if I failed, I'd find another way 'home'

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reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 01:54 AM by sugarcookie1

Originally posted by NuclearMitochondria
After going through around a year of pure hell, and I mean to the point of almost death... I strongly support euthanasia.

I endured so much pain, beyond what I thought was possible; to the point it's physically scarred me. I fear dying, but I don't fear death.

Sure, people could say "well you got through it", but I was in a case where I wasn't going to die-- but just continually suffer. After getting through what I did... I cannot imagine how bad dying is.
People say they don't remember pain... or even child birth (one of the most painful things out there, then again I have no experience nor can I have a child). I agree, I can't remember times where I tore off much of my arms skin or fell face first onto the pavement at high speed (oh that was bad ), but I can vividly remember how horrible the experience was where I just sat there motionless and in constant misery beyond description of any language. This experience alone moved me from "on the fence" to "strongly pro-choice". I can't remember being sewn up alive (I had a HUGE cut and the anesthetics didn't work, that REALLY sucked), but I can instantly recall how horrible the decay I went through was.

Though I personally wouldn't believe in just giving up straight away. If I got an illness that may not be terminal I'd fight it every step of the way until I couldn't fight anymore. Then if I failed, I'd find another way 'home'
edit on 4/9/11 by NuclearMitochondria because: (no reason given)

I hope your doing better now that must have been horrible.. pain is the worst but im so glad you made through it all..I dont think anyone wants to give up not till a person cant take it any more and thanks for the reply!

reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 04:43 AM by catwhoknowsplusone

Humans can tell you when they have had too much.

You see it by being with them.

You see it by seeing their suffering.

And animals can also tell you.

reply posted on 10-4-2011 @ 01:35 PM by sugarcookie1

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Humans can tell you when they have had too much.

You see it by being with them.

You see it by seeing their suffering.

And animals can also tell you.

My dog didnt tell me he was suffering but i could see it in his eyes and if i picked him up he yelped so i knew it was time and my vet agreed there was nothing left to do for him,but i sure miss him!

reply posted on 11-4-2011 @ 11:19 PM by rirb106

I believe people have the right to die in terminally ill situations. Not 'Im depressed and dont want to live' situations, because its possible to help those people and save a life.

reply posted on 11-4-2011 @ 11:24 PM by shatter

yup. thats all there is too it.

reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 02:45 PM by sugarcookie1

Originally posted by rirb106
I believe people have the right to die in terminally ill situations. Not 'Im depressed and dont want to live' situations, because its possible to help those people and save a life.

I agree with the depression there is alot of help out there for that and medications but im not in there shoes so i dont know...

reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 02:46 PM by sugarcookie1

Originally posted by shatter
yup. thats all there is too it.

Thanks for your reply

reply posted on 22-4-2011 @ 06:45 AM by catwhoknowsplusone

reply to post by sugarcookie1

Hi, sugar,

Yes your dog told you.

And you did the right thing!

Hey, stay with Jesus!

reply posted on 23-4-2011 @ 04:23 AM by sugarcookie1

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by sugarcookie1

Hi, sugar,

Yes your dog told you.

And you did the right thing!

Hey, stay with Jesus!

Im hanging on!

and i know i did the right thing...

reply posted on 6-5-2011 @ 03:53 PM by OverMan

reply to post by shroudnews77

I understand but anything can be "used" in the wrong way "abused" yet we should not disallow it based solely upon this fear.

I knew someone who went through the hospice process and I agree it is a better alternative then dying in a hospital or worse still, living in a hospital with no quality of life while the staff pumps us full of narcotics and all manner of nonsense in order to prolong the suffering which is exactly how I see it, prolong suffering as if this were somehow the primary function of modern medicine.

Yet, this person still did not have the choice to die but only to prolong the process of dying and maybe to choose which drug to use to accomplish their slow death.

If a loaded gun was placed in their hands I predict that there would be plenty who would alternatively pull the trigger.

Someone I love dearly is now suffering because the emotions of the family have overidden the concept of quality of life and now she suffers for them, basically, yet most of them do not "FEEL" a thing and are for the most part content that she is still with us regardless of her quality of life.

I think many of the "Laws" concerning this subject stem from the same selfish core albeit, as is the case for modern medicine, the selfish core seems to be made of greed whereas the selfish core of my family is made of??? well??? selfishness, plain and simple. The ability to care for someone yet care little about their suffering.

Seems implausible yet I am unable to convince myself otherwise.
They love her for themselves yet they do not love her for her...

Hope that makes sense.
I have had relatives buried when they requested to be cremated simply because a small yet dominant element in the family could not bear the thought so they ultimately went against the wishes of the deceased......

Yes, a living will would have stopped such selfish nonsense from occurring yet and even though the family is now somewhat divided on the issue, it would have been ripped apart if they would not have gotten their way and were forced to cremate.

So, much of this "family" that people keep referring to, these "dependents" that they are using to justify forcing some of us to stick around alittle longer is BS. BS based in selfishness mainly....
"they always want to play but they never wish to lose".....

"To be or not to be" is a solitary enquiry.

reply posted on 12-5-2011 @ 04:30 PM by sugarcookie1

Originally posted by OverMan
reply to post by shroudnews77

I understand but anything can be "used" in the wrong way "abused" yet we should not disallow it based solely upon this fear.

I knew someone who went through the hospice process and I agree it is a better alternative then dying in a hospital or worse still, living in a hospital with no quality of life while the staff pumps us full of narcotics and all manner of nonsense in order to prolong the suffering which is exactly how I see it, prolong suffering as if this were somehow the primary function of modern medicine.

Yet, this person still did not have the choice to die but only to prolong the process of dying and maybe to choose which drug to use to accomplish their slow death.

If a loaded gun was placed in their hands I predict that there would be plenty who would alternatively pull the trigger.

Someone I love dearly is now suffering because the emotions of the family have overidden the concept of quality of life and now she suffers for them, basically, yet most of them do not "FEEL" a thing and are for the most part content that she is still with us regardless of her quality of life.

I think many of the "Laws" concerning this subject stem from the same selfish core albeit, as is the case for modern medicine, the selfish core seems to be made of greed whereas the selfish core of my family is made of??? well??? selfishness, plain and simple. The ability to care for someone yet care little about their suffering.

Seems implausible yet I am unable to convince myself otherwise.
They love her for themselves yet they do not love her for her...

Hope that makes sense.
I have had relatives buried when they requested to be cremated simply because a small yet dominant element in the family could not bear the thought so they ultimately went against the wishes of the deceased......

Yes, a living will would have stopped such selfish nonsense from occurring yet and even though the family is now somewhat divided on the issue, it would have been ripped apart if they would not have gotten their way and were forced to cremate.

So, much of this "family" that people keep referring to, these "dependents" that they are using to justify forcing some of us to stick around alittle longer is BS. BS based in selfishness mainly....
"they always want to play but they never wish to lose".....

"To be or not to be" is a solitary enquiry.

Thank you for your post OverMan it was very interisting and family does play a huge part in what happens to the sick thats why a liveing will needs to be set up that helps with the problem of family steping in wanting to keep the person here when they dont want to be its called quality of life if there is none why be so selfish to keep them here it doesnt justify the person that has no life i agree with you complety on this subject..

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