'I had an abortion' T Shirts for Sale

Originally posted by Megaquad

Originally posted by Jazzerman

There have been some cases of grown up siamese twins, lets say doctors had the ability to split them knowing that only one would survive. How would you decide which one of them has the right to live? Weaker one?

[edit on 24-7-2004 by Megaquad]

yep, that's how they decide...
and guess what they call the weaker of the two fetus'.
It's a parasite...

think about that for a minute. There are some good parasites that live in our body, and well, we wouldn't be alive if they weren't there. But, then there are some that can kill you. They are usually removed from the body.

Originally posted by intrepid
Here we go again. I thought this thread was about T-shirts, not abortion.

Actually, that's why I posted the thread, but I guess the conversation kinda' morphed a bit. I thought the T-Shirts were really stuuuuuuuupid.
I had a hysterectomy but I wouldn't go around wearing a TShirt saying 'I'm Menopausal because I had a hysterectomy and I'm Proud!'

No matter what side of the abortion debate you are on... ya' gotta' admit these TShirts are ... Strange and wacky! Well, I guess you don't HAVE TO admit it, but they are.

Originally posted by Bleys
What is planned parenthood thinking?
T Shirt

I'd say they are thinking $$$$.
Or perhaps they just aren't thinking at all on this one!

Originally posted by JAK
Does anyone here honestly think that there is any woman anywhere who is actually proud of having found herself in the position of having had an abortion rather than considering it a mournful affair?

Anyone here? I haven't heard anyone here say that they would be 'proud'. However, Planned Parenthood seems to think they can
make a bunch of money off these. Or at least break even and
get a message across. I think it's

First off, I'm pro-choice politcally and against abortion personally.
Even though I'm pro-choice, I cannot imagine a woman wanting to advertise the fact that she had to have an abortion. The people I know, who have found themselves in circumstances where abortion was their choice, don't think of it as something to advertise, celebrate, or announce to the world. It's generally a very private emotional choice that remains private.
This kind of action (the selling of tee-shirts) just feeds into the view of those who are pro-choice as being maniac baby-killing monsters. I'd think PP would want to counter such stereotypes rather than promote them.
I'm really embarssed by PP and this stupid stunt.
I think I'll get a tee-shirt that reads : I HAD A COLONOSCOPY...at least that might do some good!


[edit on 24-7-2004 by joey]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
However, Planned Parenthood seems to think they can make a bunch of money off these. Or at least break even and get a message across. I think it's

Good, I'm glad. But I'm wondering why your post seemed to be addressed to me. Upon re-reading my initial post I would presume that, as intended, it would express to the reader my own distaste at this stunt. No matter whether 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice'.

Forgetting the emotions behind the debate about abortion itself, and whether you think it is right or wrong:

... those who oppose this course of action would be better served by standing by with dignity and letting such an idea cause the offence it would in all right thinking adults.

Concentrating on the T-Shirts only, I have yet to see anyone appear on this thread who has said that they would wear such a thing. Which was my point.

This poorly concieved public relations exploit should be left to die the death it deserves. Looked upon with pitiful eyes by those who consider themselves 'pro-life' and with saddened shame through association (albeit distantly) by those considered 'pro-choice'.

The outcome - in a situation where, sadly, 'one-upmanship' appears to be the game at hand, neither emerges the victor.

Jack

Originally posted by JAK
Concentrating on the T-Shirts only, I have yet to see anyone appear on this thread who has said that they would wear such a thing. Which was my point.

Oh I would. In a heartbeat. And I'm a guy. But I see it for what it is. A counter measure to the shame and blame tactics of the right that scream at women going to the doctor and throw pig blood. It's not exactly for everyday wear mind you. More like for rallies. Million women marches.

The right enjoys going on Roe V Wade boards and saying things like EVERY WOMAN THAT'S EVER HAD AN ABORTION REGRETS IT! It's a two pronged attack first to silence those that may choose to break their right to privacy and talk about how they made the right choice, and second to out the "crazies" that admit they had an abortion and are glad they had the opportunity to do so in a safe, clean, legal environment. Then the right knows who to scream MURDERER at.

It's just a measure to take back one small ounce of the dignity the right steals daily. As if exercising your right to a legal medical procedure should be done in shame. Wrong.

It's no different than a wearing a T-Shirt at a gay rights rally proclaiming QUEER or something like that. It's not meant to be shoved in the face of anyone not already screaming their opinion at you.

Originally posted by JAK - Good, I'm glad. But I'm wondering why your post seemed to be addressed to me.

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Um ... it wasn't ment to be directed AT you. It was
just general conversation. Nothing AT you. I just
took your comment and added to it.

Kinda like we are all in a room chatting together,
not one on one.

Nothing intended here.

I have already purchased one. I think it is a riot. I fail to see how it is anny different that the anti-choice crowd who throws blood or waves pictures of aborted fetuses at passers by.

Many years ago, I was a PP clinic escort in the SF Bay Area. Never in my life have a seen a more bigoted ignorant lot than the Operation Rescue crowd. Funny thing was they could dish it out, but could not take it. When they started throwing blood on people, we threw coathangers back at them. I thought this priest was going to have a stroke right there. Alas the police made both side stop throwing things.

FlyersFan - Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Rant - Ok then, let me put it a different way, the way in which it was meant (as I'm sure was understood).

I would be... disheartened if there was anyone anywhere - who would wear it as anything other than a means of antagonizing those considering themsleves 'pro-life'.

Even then though, to sink to such a level.

It's just a measure to take back one small ounce of the dignity the right steals daily

Wearing such a thing would give the wearer dignity?

As if exercising your right to a legal medical procedure should be done in shame. Wrong.

I am in no way trying to say here that those who have had such a proceedure should regard it as some kind of secret shame. Rather that they would never be... I'm hunting for the correct wording... proud of what they have done, as wearing a T-Shirt advertising the fact might suggest.

Those who have been through this may well consider they made the correct decision, they may support the rights of others to make such a choice... I'm trying to say that I don't believe they would be either proud OR ashamed or their decision.

I don't see that there is anything to be proud of, just as I personally don't see that there is anything to be ashamed of.

I see this T-Shirt as offensive, and only to be worn by those who have as much to bring to the topic as those who scream at people leaving such clinics.

I'll say it again

The outcome - in a situation where, sadly, 'one-upmanship' appears to be the game at hand, neither emerges the victor.

Both sides of this argument need to take a good look at themselves and grow up a little.

It is not an event to be celebrated or scorned.

Jack

[edit on 25/7/04 by JAK]

I am in two minds about this- because personaly i am alright with abortion( it has it purpose)- and i agree with those who also say why do you want to advertise that?

I also see the point of those who say that it is no different from some of the slogans on T-shirts now.

Maybe we arnt ready for it to be pushed in our faces- i remeber watching something on chanel four about it- and some of the campaigns against abortion are terrible- some are manipulated to be more horrific!

Like i said- i am still in two mids about it- times are deffinatley changing though...

This T-shirt gimmick is just the latest manifestation of those commie B's at the National Organization for Women and their comrade bedfellows to push their divide and conquer socialist scheme. Supposedly this is to protect and help the "vunerable, innocent, gentle, kind, sensitive, blah blah blah blah blah" women
Yeah, right! They're so "innocent, loving, and caring" that they want to kill the unborn fetuses developing in their polluted wombs. Women are about as "innocent" as a 2 dollar whore if the truth be told. Most are better at masking it then others that's all. If the National Organization for Women were really so concerned for the welfare of their "sweet, sensitive" sisters, then why aren't they at the forefront of defending the Rights and Liberties for females - and males - to freely (no police state records, registration, or licenseing) possess and carry guns? Hmmmmm?

After all, how can a "vulnerable, sensitive," little women hope to defend herself against a larger, stronger male aggressor without a gun? As far as I'm aware the commie NOW or any of the other alphabet soup organizations are stong, vocal proponants for gun Rights. They would only manage to lose their commie-socialist, divide-and-conquer leverage employed in pursuit of their agenda by effectively cutting themselves and their government commie comrades out of the action.

By application of warm and fuzzy sounding "peace, love, security, save-the-women-and-children" appeals through front organizations like NOW, NAACP, GAY PRIDE, ABORTION RIGHTS, along with their commie government politicians and agency bureaucrats, can they hope to manipulate social agendas, if the people they purportadly represent the best interests of, are unarmed, defenseless, and wholly dependent upon others, ie, the government police state, and NGOs to defend and protect a man or woman's PRIVATE interests . Women, Blacks, Gays and Lesbians, can more easily be duped and used to progress their commie-socialist goals of a centralized, all powerful police state apparatus only when they are made to feel vulnerable and threatened. The most effective way of achieving this is by forcefully disarming the public.

If any "sensitive, loving, gentle, nurturing" females are offended with this post...you can go suck on a door knob
















[edit on 25-7-2004 by neomoniker]

Originally posted by neomoniker
Women are about as "innocent" as a 2 dollar whore if the truth be told. Most are better at masking it then others that's all.

and

Women, Blacks, Gays and Lesbians, can more easily be duped...

and

If any "sensitive, loving, gentle, nurturing" females are offended with this post...you can go suck on a door knob

This is without a doubt the most ignorant set of statements that I have ever seen posted on ATS.

While I've noted, with disgust, your hatred for those of Jewish persuasion on other threads it also appears that you have now added women, minorities and gays to your list of "enemies".

What should this say to members of ATS - that you are a very small man who has decided that all your failings in life couldn't possibly be your fault. So you seek to blame anyone and everyone who is your better.

I will gladly accept any warnings from the mods on this, but the ignorance of this individual should not go unnoticed or ignored.

Women, Blacks, Gays and Lesbians, can more easily be duped...

hes right here, like the quote in my sig says, they are pushing for equality but neglecting the freedom part, the groups he mentioned are gaining unfair advantages to be "equal" and it is the truth, if what he said there offended you well, it is true and it is creating a socialist setting in free nations, the desire for equality will destroy freedom when equality is placed ahead of freedom the way people seem to do be doing it.

Originally posted by Seth Bullock

Originally posted by neomoniker
Women are about as "innocent" as a 2 dollar whore if the truth be told. Most are better at masking it then others that's all.

and

Women, Blacks, Gays and Lesbians, can more easily be duped...

and

If any "sensitive, loving, gentle, nurturing" females are offended with this post...you can go suck on a door knob

This is without a doubt the most ignorant set of statements that I have ever seen posted on ATS.

While I've noted, with disgust, your hatred for those of Jewish persuasion on other threads it also appears that you have now added women, minorities and gays to your list of "enemies".

What should this say to members of ATS - that you are a very small man who has decided that all your failings in life couldn't possibly be your fault. So you seek to blame anyone and everyone who is your better.

I will gladly accept any warnings from the mods on this, but the ignorance of this individual should not go unnoticed or ignored.

Oh, common now, Seth, "...the most ignorant set of statements..."?

P-lease.

Have you been reading your very own posts, and don't they contain liberal doses of ignorance within them?

I catagorically deny your unsubstantiated allegation that I "hate" minorities, women, gays, or that very distinct and special group of people, the Jews , or anyone else for that matter. I don't "hate" or love anyone based only upon race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or gender.

Seth, your self-serving post is also misleading, as it implies that you are by contrast an unbiased people lover. Are you selective about who you love or hate based upon random qualifiers? For example, do you love other Jews more than, say, white or Black people? I bet you do...









[edit on 26-7-2004 by neomoniker]

it's difficult for a government to regulate something like equality, or freedom....they are concepts and ideas that need to be nutured in the heart of people.
They treat the symptoms of a disease that has been a part of humanity for a very long time. All they can do is tilt their laws toward inequality in favor of those who by nature and tradition are be treating inequally.
They are just digging the pit deeper. And, will continue to do so, until the heart of the people embrace the higher ideas of freedom and equality.

Oh, I get it, now. Because you're a Jew, believing you enjoy special, entitled treatment, you took umbridge with the HOLLOWHOAX post I made in another ATS thread.

Then you come out swinging from your corner, in a new thread, using my ALLEGED hateful comments toward women and minorities to cover your flanks (and hoping to bring in some women and minorities to your cause), when what really offended you all along were the HOLLOWHOAX remarks I made at a completely different thread

I can read you like a book, buddy

PS: I'll continue to make any HOLLOWHOAX remarks as the situation arises. You have my promise on that, Seth.




[edit on 26-7-2004 by neomoniker]

neomoniker

Alleged hatred of women, yeah right. Wasn't one of your first posts here calling a female member of the board a derogatory name? Ooh, nice debate skills. Hallowhoax? What does that even mean? A Halloween prank? Or is that some weird term you have come up with to deny the mass murder of Jewish people in Hitler's Germany.

Frankly I don�t give a rat�s behind what you think. But I do think it is possible to get your point across without calling women whores, fellow members names, or implying anyone that doesn�t agree with you has to be a member of some vast Jewish conspiracy.

Originally posted by neomoniker
I can read you like a book, buddy
[edit on 26-7-2004 by neomoniker]

Can you now?

Well then it might interest you to know that:

I am not Jewish.
I am not a woman.
I am not gay.
I am not a minority.

I come here to debate on topics I find interesting. What I don't come here for is to listen to hate speech. And when I see it, I will comment on it. After all, the motto here is to �deny ignorance�. All that type of talk does is create it.

Watch your step neomoniker.

Race,religion and gender play no part in debate here except within it's correct context.

Originally posted by Seth Bullock
neomoniker

Alleged hatred of women, yeah right. Wasn't one of your first posts here calling a female member of the board a derogatory name? Ooh, nice debate skills. Hallowhoax? What does that even mean? A Halloween prank? Or is that some weird term you have come up with to deny the mass murder of Jewish people in Hitler's Germany.

In the first place, just because I or someone else calls someone a "derogatory" name who happens to be a man, woman, minority, or member of that seperate, exclusive, very special group of people, the Jews, doesn't mean I or that someone catagorically hates ALL men, women, minorities, or Jews. That's the socialist/commie, collective, universal guilt complex devise used by feminists, gays, minorities, and Jews to indict entire catagories of people as responsible and guilty for isolated acts of a lone or group individuals by random association. When ONE male rapes a woman the socialist/commies will hold accountable the ENTIRE male population for this lone individual's violent act on the grounds that it was a male who committed the offense. Simultaneously, ALL women are then made to feel, by collective, random association, as if they were also a VICTIM of this ONE rape, perpetrated by ONE man, then self-righteously holding ALL men, by collective association, responsible for the lone act.

Now, I don't take responsibility, nor do I feel guilty for what others do based soley on some random association. Some man, raping some woman, does not make ME, a proud, confident man, in anyway, shape, or form culpable for it. Not even remotely. The very same applies to the Jew's little HOLLOWHOAX. I didn't have ANYTHING whatsoever to do with it, and I won't be made to feel that I do, by a commie orchastrated, collectivised guilt by association head job. My hands are squeaky clean so to speak.

The reason I apply the term HOLLOWHOAX to an alleged event which took place NOT IN AMERICA - therefore not a part of AMERICAN HISTORY - but, in some far away place called Germany some 60+ years ago, is because the facts have been systematically embellished and distorted in the telling of this little event a MILLION times over (there's enough HOLLOWHOAX material, in print and film, to literally fill a football stadium to the roof), for the purposes of instilling, aka PSYCHIC DRIVING, a collectivised guilt complex on succeded generations of not just Germans, but AMERICANS, et al, who had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it, and, in point of fact, WEREN'T EVEN BORN when the alleged incident took place. At the same time succeding generations of Jews are made to feel as though they are the self-rightious VICTIMS by association, and entitled to priviledged treatment (read FREE MONEY, and SPECIAL OPPORTUNITIES) from ALL other races, genders, and ethnicities of people. This, notwithstanding the fact that they weren't even born when the alleged, and greatly exaggerated HOLLOWHOAX occured IN GERMANY - not AMERICA, PALESTINE, MEXICO, etc.

I'll post more on this topic, later, but for now that'll be it.













[edit on 27-7-2004 by neomoniker]