When someone else is telling them their view, it got "debunked", and I find that very annoying. So I started thinking for myself and I can conclude that yhwh is not a really "good" god, he hates the people who are not with him, he kills people's childeren or ask them to offer. He is against everything what has to do with "freedom" or "free wil to choose" and people do all kinds of abusing stuff in his name (starting wars for example). If you don't obey his will, you will burn in hell, at least that is what they are trying to tell you.

The bible is full of gods, I don't think Jesus refers to Yhwh as to the father.
There seems to be another god for the new testament, so it seems. I may be wrong but how many times do you see the name YHWH in the new testament ?
Also it may seem genesis there is a different god, the supreme god, the creator is different from Yhwh, in that it creates worlds, stars and so on unlike YHWH that is a more physical god as a person, a man if you will that comes down and states not to worship other gods.

YHWH has to do more with the annunaki, and not with god, the god, as in the creator of the universe, the true god, supreme.

Now there is "Lucifer" who is on the side of mankind, who does everything for you and gives you what you want. And with "everything you want" I mean: living in peace with yourself, growing peacefully to a certain goal, or better self and doing good to others. I'm really convinced that yhwh is the evil one, he just twisted the whole story to HIS hand.

I don';t think picking lucifer as you master does you any good and does not have any implications to YHWH.

Originally posted by pepsi78

When someone else is telling them their view, it got "debunked", and I find that very annoying. So I started thinking for myself and I can conclude that yhwh is not a really "good" god, he hates the people who are not with him, he kills people's childeren or ask them to offer. He is against everything what has to do with "freedom" or "free wil to choose" and people do all kinds of abusing stuff in his name (starting wars for example). If you don't obey his will, you will burn in hell, at least that is what they are trying to tell you.

The bible is full of gods, I don't think Jesus refers to Yhwh as to the father.
There seems to be another god for the new testament, so it seems. I may be wrong but how many times do you see the name YHWH in the new testament ?
Also it may seem genesis there is a different god, the supreme god, the creator is different from Yhwh, in that it creates worlds, stars and so on unlike YHWH that is a more physical god as a person, a man if you will that comes down and states not to worship other gods.

YHWH has to do more with the annunaki, and not with god, the god, as in the creator of the universe, the true god, supreme.

Now there is "Lucifer" who is on the side of mankind, who does everything for you and gives you what you want. And with "everything you want" I mean: living in peace with yourself, growing peacefully to a certain goal, or better self and doing good to others. I'm really convinced that yhwh is the evil one, he just twisted the whole story to HIS hand.

I don';t think picking lucifer as you master does you any good and does not have any implications to YHWH.

Why?? because the bible says that "Lucifer" is the evil one? Did you ever considered that the bible is one of the tools of an angry evil god who want's all the power? It is so clear and so obvious, but still people fail miserably to see the bigger picture.

The bible says that the beast will have more followers in the endtimes than the true creator, and Christianity is still a growing religion (Which started in Israel), besides Jesus was just one of the many false prophets who got mentioned. The second beast is America (appearance of a lamb while speaking like a dragon.), because the second beast will do what the first beast tells him to do. America has strong christian fundements, and starts wars were-ever it want's in the name of the Christian God.

So I like to suggest that you really have to be prepared and expect soon to get what you deserve....

The problem with all of this is that religious people don’t understand that their religion IS A THEORY.

Your religious doctrine has not become a fact in you or the external world.

Fundamentalist are the worst because they really don’t understand this and wish to make their religious theories true through force, an impossible thing to do.

Just accept that you have faith in a theory and move on. There is a way, in theory, for you to experience your truth or faith inwardly but that takes tolerance, understanding, and something that they talk about but rarely practice, and that’s called . . . love

Why?? because the bible says that "Lucifer" is the evil one? Did you ever considered that the bible is one of the tools of an angry evil god who want's all the power? It is so clear and so obvious, but still people fail miserably to see the bigger picture.

I still don't see what YAHWN has to do with lucifer or satan ?
There is also the name of Elohim another god, some stipulate that Elohim are a type of beings not as in one but as in many. From what I know Jesus or the new testament does not talk of them, so who is your enemy or adversary, the bible it's self is formed from many books.

In the end it must be concluded that there is only one god, the creator of the universe, more of a force/entity rather than a man character.

Better put if you study Kabalah, the tree of life number 7 the crown, god all mighty(keter the force) that sits at the top is not YAHWN, and YAHWN may be a demi god with a physical apearance, or an alien.

The bible, the start of it with the genesis would indicate the same thing that the creator, god is something else.

So all this flaming will do you no good. Who are you upset on ?

Originally posted by pepsi78

Why?? because the bible says that "Lucifer" is the evil one? Did you ever considered that the bible is one of the tools of an angry evil god who want's all the power? It is so clear and so obvious, but still people fail miserably to see the bigger picture.

I still don't see what YAHWN has to do with lucifer or satan ?
There is also the name of Elohim another god, some stipulate that Elohim are a type of beings not as in one but as in many. From what I know Jesus or the new testament does not talk of them, so who is your enemy or adversary, the bible it's self is formed from many books.

In the end it must be concluded that there is only one god, the creator of the universe, more of a force/entity rather than a man character.

Better put if you study Kabalah, the tree of life number 7 the crown, god all mighty(keter the force) that sits at the top is not YAHWN, and YAHWN may be a demi god with a physical apearance, or an alien.

The bible, the start of it with the genesis would indicate the same thing that the creator, god is something else.

So all this flaming will do you no good. Who are you upset on ?

It upsets me that the Christians are doing what they can do best in this topic. Instead of discussing things they are simply quoting bible texts and moving along, this is a solid proof that they are unable to think for themselves, call them brainwashed or something.

Well because all of us were created, if you believe it or not, you will find out Judgement Day. There is many religions man has created, yet there has always been a true path since the beginning. Now, if you actually do some study, on the names of the Son and the Father, you will find out each religion has their own name for him. Allah, Buddha, Jehovah, Jesus, God etc. But if you search for the truth and want it, it will smack you down to the ground like a train and see all religions are man made. There can only be 1 right way, and multiple wrong ways, its just common sense and scriptural. Also many are led astray, and only few are those who are saved. Majority rule does not apply. Doing the right thing, always will make you alone in the end, and if you endure it, you will inherit eternal life.

"Enter in through the narrow gate! Because the gate is wide - and the way is broad - that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter in through it. Because the gate is narrow and the way is hard pressed which leads to life, and there are few who find it. But beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are savage wolves" Matthew(Mattithyahu) 7:13-15

There can be only one way, cause thats the truth. Only one way to do the right thing, many to do the wrong. And those who follow the right way, not in a religion, are called Follwers of the Way/Truth/Light.

"Thomas(T'oma) said to Him, "Master, we do not know where You are going, and how are we able to know the way?" Yahuwshuwah said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father too. From now on you know Him, and have seen."

Yahuwah( NOT GOD or LORD) our Creator set in us to look for the truth and to search for our reason for our existance. Everyone has that drive, its part of us. And to say that there is no afterlife, is to reject the Creator Yahuwah, you just slapped Him in the face. And why would you want to believe that life ends and you go into nothingness?? That shatters anyone's confidence in life and makes you feel as worthless as a piece of dirt. But, by believing there is life after death, if you believe there IS a Creator named Yahuwah, and His Son Yahuwshuwah(NOT JESUS) then you feel special and have a real purpose to live and to do RIGHT to gain eternal life!

The atheist speaks, but only near to death does it pray


This thread= Lucifernvism party

Now there is "Lucifer" who is on the side of mankind, who does everything for you and gives you what you want. And with "everything you want" I mean: living in peace with yourself, growing peacefully to a certain goal, or better self and doing good to others. I'm really convinced that yhwh is the evil one, he just twisted the whole story to HIS hand.

A true creator loves his creation no matter what (just look at your parents), and will not force you in a very aggresive way to do his will.

Suffering is a good way of learning between the light and darkness of life. IF a child burns his hand on the stove he does not do it again. I do not understand the spirtual connections between ones faults that correlates with disease. Disease, Dis,

Suffering attains to enlightenment and learning, obviously your OCD if you are not lying was obviously a gift to understand something and to learn. Now since that is gone enjoy your 60+ years on earth and see what happens in the end. Obviously this dimension was far to stressful for you to handle, me, I carry my cross on my shoulders and act like a man, not like a puss

Ghost/spirits= other dimension (different plane on earth).

You really have to be against the big bang theory, paranormal activity and deny freewill in order to have a complete fixed Atheist viewpoint. Shut those 3 down then I cannot help you