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posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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The only solution I can come up with is half cocked. We need to find some anti-politicians. Politicians sweet talk and lie to the public, while taking lots of money for their campaign from lobbiests, then doing their bidding while in office. We need to find people that will sweet talk and lie to lobbyists, take their money so they can win the election, then tell lobbyists to go blank themselves, and do the people's bidding. I would do it, but I am not a good public personality, I would scare most people away I fear.


I will.... and I'll do whatever it takes!

Note: People are always drawn to my personality and charm! This could work!




posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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you said, "Sad, people don't seem to get it, they just look at the world through their own particular one eyed glasses, that only focuses on the bad of "the enemy party".


This is so true. The thing is I understand. My way of thinking has changed drastically in just the last few years. I use to be one of those people that took a side and I really did think of the other side as my enemy. It was the way I was raised. It was all I knew.

I'm 33 yrs old now and really just started to "wake up" when it comes to a lot of things I've always believed a couple of years ago. It's not easy, You really do have to come out of your comfort zone. I don't think there's many things that are harder on a psychological level than to start questioning your own beliefs. Especially when those beliefs have been such a part of your life for so long.

I'm still learning and I'm still questioning things. It's been tough, but I guess I decided I'd rather know the truth about things, even if the truth hurt, than to go my entire life believing and defending lies.


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posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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This last election we actually tried that with the TEA Party, and ended up with radical Republicans instead.

I would like to see ACTUAL independent candidates run, people who are centered politically and not on the fringe of one side of the political spectrum.



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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Really good thread, and realized this for probably 20 years or more. I finally can no longer vote, for I cannot cast an endorsement for any party, though had always chosen our peoples party, but noticed when it was in in my province that it had gone from its grass roots origins to being more conservative and punitive to the poor than the social credit had even been, and that was saying a lot. I understood then and there that it had been taken over.

However, I've thought long and hard on the alternatives, and the depth of the web that is around us in this world.
In the US, the trail of the money and who holds the purse or keys to the Federal Reserve, and we know that trail leads offshore to foreign powers in particular the Rothchild family. The US government has been hijacked and dances to the tune of international banker/mobsters but in particular one family is the Zeus/Enlil/El of them all. Or feel they are his representative. The industrial military complex also became a shadow force, a black operations and strong arm for this foreign body.

Whoever controls the money and military control the country, and that is held by a certain group of mafia henchmen on foreign soil.

There is a bank mural with protestors holding up blank signs, basically the people iwth no voice, though they still have the illusion of choice, but there is none.

The idea of electing our own, which is something their system is set up to prevent by the way, is worth considering, but the clause is real that was added. Basically the party system is a lazy mans way of not having to take responsibility.

I feel the solution would need to be really entrenched in public will to be successful, and that word has many meanings, in that it wouldn't go easy in the least, we the people would need to have the will power to sacrifice it all, put it all on the table, take the risk that they would willingly put out all the lights, ie dispose of humanity, in the world before giving up their power. They may even conceivably prefer to see earth turned into mars and devestated than lose power. Its not them, but the ones under them, that would be the factor in this.

The only way I think this would work, and it may go so far as to run our own, and then avidly protect them only to replace them with another if needed, and so on. Wash, rinse and repeat. Is to form counsels in every area with citizens realizing that the leaders aren't doing their bidding. There is still wars and world wide poverty and corruption on a massive scale, starting with all the rules and regulations there own city has regulating home based businesses, home gardens and food sharing, and the way farms or land can be used, ie. hard to get an eco farm going as most wont allow multi family dwellings unless your a millionaire putting up townhouses, for which they get some pay off money. Think of the solutions to homelessness that could be done, and yurts, gardens and volunteers to help out, if were not like this. So many solutions people could do on their own.

The first step in practicing learning that you are growing up and can solve problems is to form groups that invite all to participate all the time, even the poor and handicapped, and drive them out, mind their children and drop them off. Really strong organized community watch dog counsels that then can start to run their own locally and change bylaws.

That is when you might have a good try at always having enough to take over should they target anyone, for enough people would be flexing their empowerment muscles it would too hard to put the fire out.

Just electing an independent would solve nothing. He would be eliminated, set up, or a clone produced.

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posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:50 AM
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I didn't have to view your videos because I remembered everyone of those lies when I watched them at the time they were aired. The old adage "never trust a politician" is what you've proven here. Both parties are one of the same. There maybe different political platforms, but both parties are still influenced by corporate America and their self serving interests. There's a reason campaign reform was never passed. There's a reason the supreme court overturned and favored corporate contributions. There's a reason elected officials keep spending and putting this country further into debt. There's a reason why we keep sending troops into oil rich countries. There's a reason the average Joe can't run for president. There's a reason why a 3rd party candidate isn't given the same kind air time as the two major parties. There's a reason why congressional and senate candidates don't have term limits. There's a reason why elected officials have the best health care, best pensions, and high paying salaries, while they continue to vote on bills that increase tax on the working class and preventing all Americans from having health care. There's a reason why they bail out corporations and continue to let banks foreclose on our homes. Theirs a reason they spend billions of dollars annually on the military and ignore our struggling economy. There's a reason why they continue to support the Federal Reserve Bank,,, As I digress



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Great thread

Carlin really had a grasp on what this country is and where it is headed. He was probably the greatest influence in my "awakening" to what goes on. Like most americans i was too blinded by events going on in my own life and the lives of people that i knew. I watched the mainstream news and thought i knew what was going on, like most other people i knew. Once you start to see the government for what it is you realize how easy it is to see.
There is no going back.

The citizens of this country have no voice in this current system we live under. I have said time and time again, the system is fixed against the citizens, and voting new politicians in will never change it. It is not just the politicians that are corrupt, it is the entire system. If you havent figured this out even after the decade of events that have taken place, you are simply in denial.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman




Guess what.... theirs ground troops




any proof of this...



Yeah man... CIA operatives on the ground gathering info ( Or so that's what the MSM wants us to believe.)

Plus, what is the difference really if in fact we have aircraft that can hover at low altitude while firing high-caliber rounds at ground troops?

And do you REALLY believe that we are given all the facts in a situation like this? He couldn't even run it by congress.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Sadly the government is no longer of,by and for the people.They even have control of the voting process now. If you research the guy who produced the new digital voting machines in Ohio for the last Bush election you will be suprised by what you find. Those machines were crookeder than a pan of guts. I find it odd that suddenly we need digital voting machines that are easy to corrupt, when the older mechanical machines that were difficult to corrupt still work just fine.But you can't corrupt the voting process as easily with them. The change is made in the name of progress ,but is it really progress. Not for us I think ,but for somebody else.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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The two headed machine, what do you hear, and do you see. Two very different things. What you see is, less freedom and higher taxes. No matter which head is talking and the message will sound different, the results are the same to the average person. No truer were ever spoken "divide and conquer". We have been divided by the richest and brightest America has, and they have done an excellent job. Just look at the results. Lies, lies and more lies. Very well said OP!!!



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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I think in this case it is better to show the whole quotation.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The Constitution was not made to equal America. The Constitution was made to form a better government ("form a more perfect Union") that could protect and support its people. The Framers used the phrase "We the people" because when the Constitution was created they technically would NOT have been representatives at that point. All the Framers were at this point were representatives of the Union trying to make a government that would appease everyone.

We the people does NOT mean the government is America. The population is.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Excellent thread. One that I agree with 100%. Politicians will say anything to get into power. Obama originally said we would have limited engagement in Libya but the name of the operation "Odyssey Dawn" tells us that we're going to be there a while.

The definition of Odyssey is: a long wandering marked by many changes of fortune.

He said that there would be no boots on the ground yet that doesn't seem to be true canadafreepress.com...

The left constantly said Iraq was an "illegal" war but they are quiet on libya because one of their own is in power. How can Iraq be "illegal" if Congress voted on it but Libya is "legal" when the Pres. made the decision on his own.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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I have been saying a very long time that there is no difference in the two parties once you get past surface differences. I started the Ethical Planetarian Party - would be great is we all were members. In order to undertand the Party, one must first familiarize themselves with the foundation, presented in a thread - linked in my sig - called The End of Entropy.

After reading The End of Entropy, then read The Ethical Planetarin Party Platform, also linked in my sig.

If we can come together under on banner, we will be divided no more.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Carlin was 100% right on.....
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posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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sometimes you have to wonder if
Carlin actually died from natural causes.
He was a very avid spokesperson
against TPTB.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Do you have to tell people if you know the truth(any truth)? Or do you have to tell the truth all the time?
What if you do not tell people even if you know the truth? Is it a crime?

I know some scholars who know the truth but refuse to tell it to the public on the ground that he/she has the freedom of speech.

So, do we have the freedom of speech not to tell the truth?

I may be babbling here but I thought it may have some relevance. This is a great topic because the political system here in the US punish people who do the whistle blowing(telling the truth).

What is your opinion of moral standard on telling the truth?

Why should people always have to tell the truth? Not that they should not, but purely from the philosophical point of view.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by forall2see
Awsome post! Carlin does in fact "hit the nail on the head" again and again! He carries a mind like ours, focused towards the greater good and the TRUTH!

The problem with the voting issue you speak of in your blog is common. There are so many people.....SO MANY..... that are either too stupid to realize that a government who says that they care is actually saying so using mass manipulation techniques, or they are afraid to stand for the real truth... and that is the truth we feel resonating from within, knowing what is in fact right.

The real truth is that we do in fact need a change.... a big one!

I'll tell you what though.... if in fact a regime of sorts does start rolling against the wall of facism that we call a government in our country, I will be right there in front..... hell I'd rather devise a plan to get it started but like I said... the brainwashed masses have me stumped as to how to go about sparking such a truly patriotic fire.

S&F my man.... great post, and let's hope we get to be a part of the change in our lifetime!

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Couldn't have said it better myself.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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This two party voting system really does as Carlin put it, "Give the American people the illusion of choice." I disagree with you that voting independent will make a difference, however. TPTB will never allow a candidate to win that they have not already chosen and groomed. They will simply steal the election as they have done before, or worst case scenario they will eliminate the candidate, or president if he/she makes it that far. I believe that the only real choice left is whether or not to vote. I have made that choice and refuse to play their game any longer.
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posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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With all the support shown, and money raised *without lobby money* that Ron Paul pulled in during the primaries, I am like 90% sure the election was rigged.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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Keep your eye on the OP folks, it's not about any party at all.

It's about the lie's being told.

And whoever seems to be in power, be they republican, democrat or independent they have to lie, well actually they don't but someone is forcing their hand.

New boss, same lies.

RT yawns, time to take a nap, so I can watch dancing with the stars and the bachelor later.
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posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Oh here we go again.

So, basically, what you are saying is that no one has a mind of their own and that we should all just do things your way because we have no personal identity?



In a way, yes - that is the superficial problem. But he's not saying it's a core-deep problem, otherwise there would be no point is asking for it to change, for if it were as absolute as you falsely project onto his statement then his asking for its notice and correction would be a paradox, an impossibility by its own means.


Why are people trying to convince people that they have absolutely no individual political leanings? I don't believe in the same things you all do, I don't expect you all to believe in the same things I do.


If you believe in a two-party coin, then sure. But what he's really saying, as far as I understand it and not to interpret for him, is that people aren't representing their beliefs, only voting for one half of the problem rather than bringing in an actual independent solution.

Maybe this is an appropriate point to bring in what I wanted to add in reply to the original post. When we see people voting for two sides of the same otherwise hidden agenda we must determine why. I have noticed a few factors in this problem.

First, seems to be the need to win. Often I ask people to vote with their beliefs, particularly if it gets them outside the Red V Blue arena. The most common rebuttal is "but I don't want to waste my vote". The need to win, even if only half the time, has become the purpose of their vote, not in order to show support for their actual beliefs. And deep down they may seem to notice they're only getting lip service from the one they supported (see "but they're all liars" replies). Instead the vote of support needs to go to people you truly believe, or at least believe more than those you're well aware of are part of the two-part duopoly. How easily many rationalize away the willingness to get bamboozled in order to feel like they in the "real game", the Rep vs. Dem Colosseum grandiosity. From this Bread and Circuses mentality we will never see a true representative emerge.

And from we develop yet another level of failure. In rationalizing away our mistake of voting for a liar we act as though they must then all be liar. If there were people who actually represent our needs and beliefs and we didn't vote for them instead then that would be a mistake, and we're to confident and arrogant to go that path, not too mention the effort that would require for correction.

But we do have people who represent us, and that is my #2 problem. We have failed to understand what we need for representation. We have forgotten or ignored that there is much common ground to be had if we are to truly have freedom, where freedom is not the ability to take liberty from others and therefore the ability to keep our own liberty for then no one else can take it from us.





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