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How to End the War in 6 Weeks

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posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 05:48 AM
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Well all I can say is that any 'jihad' that may be being waged against you will not be solved by inflicting violence upon the muslim religion. Destroying mosques couldn't be a better way to covert more people to the cause which you speak of. I got a warning for calling you a 'moron' if it makes you feel any better




posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by earthtone
What did everyone expect. Did people really think that all Iraqi's would just throw flowers and cheer for the Coalition?


It's very simple.
Compare the French reaction to their liberation in 1944 to that of the Iraqi people.
The proof is in the pudding, so they say.

[edit on 24-7-2004 by shanti23]



posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by earthtone
Yeh this isn't a holy war, but many Iraqis feel they as a country have been humiliated by America and the coalition. So resistance comes from this aspect, some peopel have lost family and som people hate America and don't want them in their country. What did everyone expect. Did people really think that all Iraqi's would just throw flowers and cheer for the Coalition?


You mean like the Kuwaitis did in 1991? Yeah, I believe the Wolfowitzes, and Rumsfelds, and Perles, and Kristols believed that. How naive they were.



posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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What would it mean if the US made your stament and then the guided missile had a problem and MISSED the Mosque?????!!!

Would the US be forced to return home and pay reparations for the cost and damage of war? Would this make "Allah" real and how would the Christian fundementalists react at home???

There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse



posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 01:45 PM
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RockerDom,
That by far is the meanest thing you can/could do to someone. Destroying their holy places.



posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 01:48 PM
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RockerDom one last thought u start blowing their holy places up. we never see the end of the war.



posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 02:03 PM
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So, from what I get from your post is that you want to try and prove that God does not exist because Allah and the Christian God are one and the same. Also, George Bush is not Joshua, and has no right to use religion against them.

PS- What if Allah did prevent the missile from reaching them. Then you have a situation on your hand where you just proved their beliefs spurning not only them, but others around the world to believe in the very thing you are against. You have to look at both cases. If that missile did not blow up the mosque, even if Allah was involved or not, you just effectively proved the existance of Allah to millions, perhaps billions of people!

...and the war continues as Muslims fight even harder knowing that Allah is behind them!



posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 02:14 PM
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Load up crop dusters and water bombers that normally work forest fires with pig blood and hose down the areas that are causing problems for our troops.



posted on Jul, 24 2004 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by JCMinJapan
OK, this may not be the smartest idea on the block, but some of you people are just cold with your comments. Point out where he is wrong in the thinking and talk like adults, not kids calling people names... I think a few need to play nicely.


I do think the idea is flawed in many ways. If you bombed mosques, then you would have the non-fundamentalists join in the fight. The situation would spiral out of hand. Churches would be bombed to prove the same thing. You would have Christian over here going wacky on any Arab looking person that they meant saying that Allah would save them from being beaten to death if he was real. Too much conflict in this way of doing things.

I personally think you let the leaders go at the fighting. They are ALL hiding. Whether a cave, hole in the ground, or the White house, they are no where near the actual fighting. They are safe with people guarding them. It is easy to give orders and not have to worry about yourself being killed. I say take themselves.. their dedicated people, give them the same weapons and let them fight it out in the desert. Then they can hopefully all kill each other and the people that want actual peace can live together......

Much better than todays situation of letting other die for your beliefs. I am talking about ALL side of this war. Not just one.

[edit on 24-7-2004 by JCMinJapan]


Great idea. Get all of our so-called 'Fearless' Leaders in one location and see what happens. Sadly, I don't believe anyone would show up
... But yes, Thanks JCMinJapan, many get carried away in name calling and don't notice the fact that they eventually start to ramble on or that they're going in circles. Oh well, sadly I believe that there is no way out of this conflict anytime soon.



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 01:38 AM
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I got some ideas for ending the war really quick pull all US troops out and load up all of our B-52's B-1 and B-2 and start drooping bombs on every single inch of Iraq then to add the icing on the cake fire every cruise missile and every moab we have in Iraq since they want us out of Iraq so bad le them eat concrete for the rest of their lives and if they get pissed oh well they did want us out so we went out with a bang i think this is the fastest way out IMHO. if you disagree you are entitled by the constitution to have your own opinion have a nice day



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 05:04 AM
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Well it's sad to see what a low regard for human life you seem to have westpoint. Kill kill kill and that will make everything alright.



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 05:26 AM
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You know I'm getting tired of hearing how its JUST the extremists who are terrorist or how Islam is NOT a religon of hate. Look up the laws in any country with a Sharia court and tell me Islam is not a religon of hate. Anyone remember the woman last year who was sentanced to death by stoning for fornicaton (sex out of wedlock) ? Take one look at the brutl and barbric laws in ANY country ruled by fundamental Islamists and tell me then Islam is not a religon of hate. The prophet Muhammad in the Muslim holy book states that it is the duty of all good Muslims to kill ALL infidels, show me where Jesus says to kill all those who disagree with him. You cant and you know why? Because Christianity is a religon of love. The prophet Muhammad himself after gaining power, spent the last years of hs life as a bandit, killing and pillaging all non muslim trade in the area and participated in numerous genocides. # P.C. the fact is Islam is no better than Nazi belief.



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 05:46 AM
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And fort those of yu who think I am a christian extremist allow the father of Islam to tell in hs own words

Mohammed's teachings are included in what is called "Hadith." The "Hadith" is a record of Mohammed's words and deeds according to his wives, relatives, and companions. Next to the Quran, it is the most important part of Islamic law; its teachings are just as binding.

The Hadith is recorded in many books, and by many people, not all of them are agreed upon by all Muslims. All of our quotes here are from "Sahih Al-Bukhari" which comes in nine volumes, and contains thousands of Hadiths. Al Bukhari is accepted by most Muslims as the authentic words of Mohammed. Because of the limited space, we will mention here just a few examples.

Our purpose is to give the reader a taste of the teachings of Mohammed, the prophet of Islam. Some of these teachings may shock you, and some may amuse you. Others may simply leave you mystified.

Islam is to be imposed by force.
* Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196

Apostasy is punishable by death.
* Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57

A Muslim must not be killed if he kills a non-Muslim.
* Mohammed said, " No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir" (infidel). Vol. 9:50

Ethnic cleansing is practiced.
* Mohammed said to the Jews, "You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (Mohammed) and I want to expel you from this land (The Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it." Vol. 4:392

* Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were: "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula." Vol. 5:716

Yeah this is a religon of love




posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 06:00 AM
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More quotes from a "tolerant religon of love"

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (Koran 98:1-8)
A Muslim may not be killed if he kills a non-Muslim (Al Bukhari Vol 9:50)
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued. (Surat At-Taubah 9:29)
Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat. (Koran 69:30-37)
Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed... fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme" (Sura 2:91-93).
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah; and these are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. 3.116
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued.
Surat At-Taubah 9:29
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. (Koran 2: 98)
Allah plots against unbelievers. (The Morning Star: 15)
Allah has cursed them (the Jews) on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe. (Koran 2:88)
There is disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers. (Koran 2:90)
Mohammed said, The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them. (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130)
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan (Satan). Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[4:101] ...surely the unbelievers are your open enemy.
[4:102] ...surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[48:29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves
[4.92] Anyone who kills a believer intentionally will have his reward in hell, to remain there. God will be angry with him and curse him, and prepare awful torment for him. (Only applies to believers)
[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard [make war] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, is reported as saying in the Hadith: "I have been ordered to fight the people until they profess that there is no god but God and that Mohammad is the messenger of God"



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 06:03 AM
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Finally It is worth noting here that the words "fight" and "kill" have appeared in the Quran more frequently than the word "pray."



posted on Jul, 26 2004 @ 07:28 AM
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yea I was hoping for something cool, but this thread suxors



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