Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by nenothtu
The CIA is not law enforcement. Not when theyre in a different country with their own laws.
I'm sorry, did some one say they were? They're not law enforcement in the US or abroad - not law enforcement any where. They're an intelligence
agency. Oh, I see now. Apparently "simile" isn't in your repertoire, so I'll try to make the point a bit more obvious.
I went to Nicaragua once. There was a war going on. I didn't cause it. I went to Afghanistan a couple times. There was a war going on. I didn't cause
it. I have an uncle who went to Vietnam once. There was a war going on. He didn't cause it. I went to eastern NC/VA once. A hurricane had blown
through. I didn't cause it. I went to north central PA once. There was a strike going on. I didn't cause it. I have a friend here on the fire
department. He goes to burning buildings quite often. He doesn't set them on fire. The point is, presence isn't causation, no matter how you try to
spin it. There are certain classes of people who go places and do things, and quite often do it because of what is ALREADY going on. Otherwise, they'd
go somewhere else.
CIA is hands on and concerned with operations.
CIA is predominantly intel gathering and analysis. There is a certain subgroup who are concerned with operations of a warlike nature. They are not the
CIA overall, they are a subgroup of the CIA, and even have their own acronym. The CIA is unbelievably compartmentalized, and it's unfair to apply a
blanket statement to an entire group of people.
What those operations are i dont know,
They cover a pretty wide range of activity, within their own sections. Some are paramilitary (those guys are pretty busy right now, as we speak, by
order of some of the same folks who not long ago were condemning them for the SAME sorts of activity - under different management, though
are your classic cloak-and-dagger Super Spooks, building intel networks and gathering intelligence. Some are sitting in cramped cubicles analyzing
that gathered intelligence.
Some are playing politics, apparently laboring under the illusion that it's in their job description.
but i do not think they are there "helping" either america or foreign interests.
Think as you will. I'm not even trying to change made up minds any more. Their job is not to "help" foreign interests at all, and "promoting" or
"helping" US interests is only ancillary to their primary task of intelligence gathering and analysis. Foreign governments have their own intel people
to "help" their interests. It's an unfortunate fact of they way they do business that sometimes those interests coincide, OR trades are made in a
mutual back washing love fest. I don't like that, but that's the way it is.
They are faciliating an agenda.
Oh yes, without a doubt. Just not the same one they are constantly accused of. It's probably a GOOD thing that they are generally pretty thickly
Bringing about situations that will lead to other situations, and so on.
In some cases, yes, that's the way it works out. It's not a general rule or Agency policy, though.
Thats what theyre actually doing, whether you want to believe it or not. Politicians, businessman, industrialists do the talking, while men like these
do the work.
You have your own opinions of "what they're really doing", and I have mine. Just as Mr. Scheuer's words have fallen on deaf ears, I fully expect mine
will as well. They usually do. One thing I'll tell you though, I don't generally deal in "belief".
Your point concerning politicians is taken, and agreed - up to a point. As I've said repeatedly, there's far too much political gamesmanship going on
in the upper echelons. They don't take orders from "businessmen", "industrialists", or "magnates" of any sort. Your politicians have the market
cornered on that. I'd say that's where you need to direct that particular ire, but do as you will.
This is how it was in the late 1800s, with the British and European intelligence and this is how it is today. Theyre are an obscenely corrupt group of
I dont know about that - I wasn't around then or there, and never much cared what European intelligence did (other than Eastern European, but not
going back THAT far).
Yes, there are some corrupt people there, as there are in ANY group of people. The group, as a whole, isn't that way, and most actually don't even
have the potential or opportunity to GET corrupted. I try to stay away from labeling people as groups - it's lead to some terrible unpleasantness in
the past - but again, you're welcome to do as you like, and believe as you will.
Which brings us back to cops. There are a few corrupt cops out there, too. Maybe you should fire the lot of 'em.
After all, they're all in the same group, right along with the corrupt ones.
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