reply to post by spacevisitor
Hey space, great post.
Well, you know me, If I’m not “clued up” on a topic or an issue being discussed, I’ll be more than happy to admit it. And, well, this is one
of those issues to be completely honest. The whole JFK – UFO connection and so on. That being so, I do still have to disagree with the notion which
states that JFK was killed because of what knowledge he was planning on making available to the public, or what he knew about UFOs and aliens, despite
my lack of overall knowledge on the subject. And this is one of the issues I do have to disagree with Jim Marrs on also.
You see, I'm very much so a big believer in the theory which states that JFK had died as a result of his father's involvement, alongside the failed
Bay of pigs operation, tied in with the actions of the president and his brother against a certain group of individuals who weren't exactly used to
being told what to do - and they decided they weren't going to be told what to do much longer.
Now, going back to the very beginning, we know that It's certainly no lie that Joseph Kennedy Sr., the father of JFK, was pretty much desperate to
become president of the United States someday. And he was admittedly quite close making it to the position of Ambassador to Britain, the first man of
Irish descent to hold the position. But his dreams of presidency were to be dashed as he made his own public views on the delicate subject of the war,
as he wanted to appease Hitler in his time in the government as well as wanting the United States to stay out of the war between Germany and Britain
completely, public. Something which was not popular in the slightest and resulted in a ruined career in fact.
During this same war that he hated the idea of so desperately, both his sons attended, John F Kennedy & Joseph Kennedy Jr. JFK actually embarking on
one of the most heroic acts to come out of the war (which made JFK a very well known figure before politics) and Joseph unfortunately dying after
crashing his plane in a top secret mission over France I believe.
Due to his death, JFK was then prepped for the presidency by his father, as previously Joseph had been the primary candidate for such a thing. JFK,
eventually rose through the ranks so to speak, with plenty of help from his father whom was very knowledgeable in the going-ons of politics as well as
having a healthy bank balance. Something he seemingly wasn't afraid to use. Not that JFK wasn't a good politician or anything, It's just the money
maybe helped him rise faster than he should've done - something a lot didn't seem to like for obvious reasons.
When JFK decided to run for president, Joseph Sr. seemed to throw himself into it, again, alongside his wallet. As the theory goes, he ended up
attempting to and then being successful in bribing the mafia - particularly Sam Giancana, the mafia boss for Chicago at the time. After all, he knew
them and dealt with them from his bootlegging days so It's not a great surprise really. Anyway, they were bribed to rig the very important Illinois
vote (which is where It was won I believe), and in turn JFK, as president, will leave the mafia alone and let them deal with whatever they wished to
deal with - primarily making money in Cuba IMO.
In fact, in 1992, Sam Giancana's own Nephew of all people published 'Double Cross: The Story of the Man Who Controlled America', It was a book
which had attempted to explain how the rigging of the elections was in fact achieved by Sam Giancana and co. It is also argued in the book, that after
he did do so, Kennedy then reneged on the deal (which was bribed by his father) and therefore Giancana had him killed. Thus the motivation for the
assassination of the president.
Don't forget that Giancana is mentioned in my OP and if you knew the way he died, you would wholly agree with him being there also. Anyway, once
president, the complete opposite of the bribery deal, which some say JFK and RFK were possibly not even aware of, had occurred. You see, they
literally went after the mafia rather than leave them alone. Particularly RFK. I believe they desperately tried to jail some of them as well as have
many deported and as you can imagine, this didn't go down well at all.
Now, the Bay of pigs operation, let me state at this point the Mafia were secretly working with the CIA - particularly with Cuba affairs at this time.
I believe Johnnie Roselli in particular was attempting, or making it seem as though, he was trying to get Castro assassination. Anyway, the bay of
pigs was a complete mess to sum it up in only a few words.
But, IMO, It wasn't Kennedy's fault in the slightest, the CIA seemingly went behind his back to make it happen - with the help of the mafia,
something the Kennedy brothers were not happy about at all. Kennedy was subsequently blamed for what happened and not "aiding his dying men".
Something that could have sealed his fate.
Btw, here's an interesting snippet from my OP one of of the key government figures whom grew to hate the Kennedy's due to what occurred with overall
relations in Cuba too:
William Harvey - Was according to researchers such as
Richard D. Mahoney, Larry
Hancock, John Simkin, Gaeton
Fonzi, James Richards and also
Noel Twyman, quite possibly involved in the
actual assassination of JFK. He is someone whom is heard to have said that he
"hated Bobby Kennedy's guts with a purple passion" this allegedly according to a friend of his.
Reason being that During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Robert Kennedy had instructed the then
CIA director, John McCone, to halt all covert operations specifically aimed at Cuba. A
few days later he discovered that Harvey had ignored this order (Harvey being the head
of Task Force at the CIA JM/WAVE station in Miami) and had dispatched three commando teams into Cuba to prepare for what he believed would be an
Kennedy was furious and as soon as the Cuban Missile Crisis was over, Harvey was
removed as commander of ZR/RIFLE. On 30th October, 1962, RFK terminated "all sabotage operations" against Cuba. As a result of President
Kennedy kept his promise to Nikita Khrushchev that he would not invade Cuba,
Operation Mongoose was disbanded.
In '61 though, Harvey arranged for CIA operative, Jim O'Connell, to meet Sam Giancana,
Santo Trafficante, Johnny Roselli
and Robert Maheu at the Fontainebleau Hotel. During the meeting O'Connell gave poison
pills and $10,000 to Rosselli to be used against Fidel Castro.
Harvey was demoted and sent to Italy to work and It was hear he developed such a hatred for the Kennedy's. And It was also at this time
he kept continual contact with the mafia - specifically
Roselli. In fact they even met in New York on the 8th of April. Then a week later in Miami.
According to Richard D. Mahoney: "On April 21 he (Harvey) flew from Washington to
deliver four poison pills directly to Rosselli, who got them to Tony Varona and hence to
Havana. That same evening, Harvey and Ted Shackley, the chief of the CIA's south
Florida base, drove a U-Haul truck filled with the requested arms through the rain to a deserted parking lot in Miami. They got out and handed
the keys to Rosselli.""
William Harvey died in 1976 after allegedly suffering heart complications. Although It's heavily hinted at that he certainly did have a hand in the
assassination of the president thus this potentially being the true cause on why he had to
And don't underestimate just how many there was whom just hated Bobby and John Kennedy because of this failed bay of pigs operation as well as what
was happening with Cuba. I mean, people literally hated them with a passion for it. People in relatively high positions.
It was these 2 things which, IMO, caused the death of John F. Kennedy and later Bobby Kennedy also. So, I really don't think It has anything to do
with UFO's or alien technology or even anything like that. I genuinely do think that people just hated the president and his brother and they
desperately set out to kill them and to once and for all rid the world of them.
Anyway, that's my shortened theory on why JFK really did die. I could type all day but I tried to get the least amount of information I felt was
necessary to understand the reasoning for why I subscribe to my theory as opposed to the one being presented here. I think the UFO connection was made
simply because we just want to believe in UFO's and we want to believe Kennedy died for a reason close to home for us, personally.
I don't think there is much more to it than that really. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the UFO connection more but I've just never seen enough
reason to fully believe that was the reason why he had to die.