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Also, if the government wanted to infiltrate an online community dealing with conspiracies, etc...then they would have to infiltrate as many as possible,...The manpower required to achieve this would be staggering, not to mention if I was correct in assuming every poster would have to have a security clearance that would be higher than "entry level," or secret (I think that is the first level, not sure...) I could be wrong in this assumption, but it makes sense to me.
...These statements are NOT true and the bill does have good elements. I talked to Organic Consumers Association, a leader in the sustainable food movement, to get some clarification. Staff from the reputable group allayed my fears and told me....
...Section 406 of the bill reads as follows: “PRESUMPTION. In any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction shall be presumed to exist.”
Lori Robertson of FactCheck.org, who is not a lawyer (she has a B.A. in advertising), claims the bill doesn’t apply to “that tomato plant in your backyard.”
As a lawyer, I am skeptical of this claim (I co-represented the prevailing defendant in the last successful constitutional challenge to federal regulation under the interstate commerce clause, United States v. Morrison (2000), one of only two cases in 70 years in which a challenge was successful). Congress's power under the Constitution's Commerce Clause is almost unlimited in the eyes of the courts, and thus can reach the "tomato plant in your backyard."
This so-called “food safety” bill may actually make food less safe....
...We're talking about a river of unearned wealth that is so wide you can't even think of crossing it, flowing perpetually into the banking cartel. A dead short across the productive element of society. ....this huge river of wealth flowing into the banking cartel.
You are led to the question of where is this river flowing? ..... When a person has all the wealth that you could possibly want for the material pleasures of life, what is left? Power. They are using this river of wealth to acquire power over you and me and our children.
.... They are literally buying up the world but not the real estate and the hardware, they're buying control over the organizations, the groups and institutions that control people. In other words, to be specific, they are buying control over politicians, political parties, television networks, cable networks, newspapers, magazines, publishing houses, wire services, motion picture studios, universities, labor unions, church organizations, trade associations, tax-exempt foundations, multi-national corporations, boy scouts, girl scouts, you name it..... That's a critical area for expenditure on their part.
The Tides Center’s corporate registration documents on file in Minnesota show that Mark Ritchie is its “registered agent.” This might explain why the Tides Foundation has paid over $20,000 to a commercial corporation owned by Ritchie and his brother....The Ritchie brothers run this for-profit venture out of the same offices of their nonprofit (IATP)...
This is business as usual for Mark Ritchie, though. He is the mastermind behind several other food-scare and health-scare organizations, all of which get appreciable funding through his Tides connection... activistcash.com...
"Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues," notes Peter Spiro. "Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots." The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations. www.afn.org...
...How did it come about that much of the British intelligensia, for decades, was persuaded of the moral superiority of Communism, and of its inevitability as the future political system of the world? One man, virtually unknown and unnoticed, can claim the dubious distinction of being the prime mover....
Trotsky chose well in Münzenberg. Following the rise to power of the Bolsheviks, he pioneered most of the manipulative political techniques which are a feature of life in Britain today. Ad hoc committees for endless causes, politicized arts festivals, mock trials, celebrity letterheads, disinformation stunts and protest marches all sprang from Münzenberg's sheer genius for propaganda.
Stephen Koch, in his book Double Lives: Stalin, Willi Münzenberg and the Seduction of the Intellectuals, calls this "righteous politics."
During the 1920's and most of the 1930's Münzenberg played a leading role in the Comintern, Lenin's front for world-wide co-ordination of the left under Russian control. Under Münzenberg's direction, hundreds of groups, committees and publications cynically used and manipulated the devout radicals of the West.
Most of this army of workers in what Münzenberg called 'Innocents' Clubs' had no idea they were working for Stalin. They were led to believe that they were advancing the cause of a sort of socialist humanism. The descendents of the 'Innocents' Clubs' are still hard at work in our universities and colleges.
Every year a new cohort of impressionable students join groups like the Anti-Nazi League believing them to be benign opponents of oppression, rather than the Trotskyite fronts they really are.
According to Congressional Record for 1917: "...the J.P. Morgan [banking] interests.... and their subsidiary organizations got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the US.... They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. ...an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information...." Congressman Oscar Callaway statements included in the Congressional Record (vol. 54, February 9, 1917, p. 2947).
“They gave large amounts of money to some of the better known universities in America; they created newly formed departments of economics with that money; they hand picked their own people to be the professors to head up those departments and then those professors with all of their academic credentials gave speeches and wrote scholarly essays extolling the virtues of the Federal Reserve System. www.bigeye.com...
Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations INTENTIONALLY ALTERED AMERICAN HISTORY
Norman Dodd tells how the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Guggenheim and Ford Foundations set out to control education and rewrite American history in order to merge America into the one-world government they could control....
...they approach the Guggenheim Foundation which specialized in fellowships and say, when we find young men in the process of studying for doctorates in the field of American history.... they assembled 20 and they take this 20 potential teachers of American history to London and there they’re briefed into what is expected of them when as and if they secure appointments in keeping with the doctorates they will have earned.
And that group of 20 historians ultimately becomes the nucleus of the American Historical Association....
Carroll Quigley, an influential former history professor at the Foreign Service Schools of Georgetown University. ...Bill Clinton's mentor,..
"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records.... [I]n general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown...."
"At the end of the war of 1914 [World War 1], it became clear that the organization of this [secret] system had to be greatly extended... the task was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group. This front organization, called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and The Council of Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris [Peace Conference of 1919..
In other words, this conspiracy was international from the start. And, beginning with the British diamond magnate, Cecil Rhodes, it was grounded in enormous wealth -- riches acquired through capitalism, not through the global socialism it envisions for all but the elite. The key players were power-driven bankers, rich corporations, and tax-free foundations that controlled the resources needed to buy the cooperation of publishers,
media moguls, educational institutions, and government leaders across the political spectrum.... www.crossroad.to...
....Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - Pg. 405 of David Rockefeller's Autobiography, 2002
Face it, Coyote, anyone that disagrees with you is a disinfo agent. Disinfo agent is something you use to shield yourself from questions and logic. And good science.
Not at all, I don't think I've used that term outside of the chemtrail threads and the pack that runs in them. You're welcome to check my entire post history to verify the veracity of that. There's a lot of other stuff on the board that I disagree with, but the dialogue in the other threads doesn't usually degrade to the point that the trail threads do. Those threads seem to incite a special kind of vehemence on both sides. It's not about science and logic, it's about how the conversation happens, which was the entire point of the challenge post.
But without proof, calling someone a disinfo agent is spurious. It's not nice, polite, doesn't promote goodwill, and sure as heck makes any discussion with the people who use this ploy non-productive. It stifles good debate. It's a bullying tactic. It's name-calling and petty. It's juvenille. And most importantly, it's a lie.
You know, I actually agree with that. It's not playing nice with others, but neither is the way you guys conduct yourselves either (at least on those threads.) Perhaps disinfo agent is incorrect as it implies a paid agenda. As I use it (when I do) I mean it to be an indication that people are using the tactics of disinfo www.911truth.org... not that they necessarily are being paid to do that. To verify that all you have to do is compare the list of tactics with the way a person communicates. No more proof is needed. If the appellation bothers you don't use the techniques. Heck, I used some of those tactics myself in the design of the Challenge OP, putting forth a no-win question and so someone could (and did) call me on that (and I know that all I'm interested in is getting to the whole truth-and nobody is paying me for that.) I used the tactics to make a point as to how the tactics were being used by the population of those threads at large. Isn't what you do, constantly pummeling people for proof when they just wish to have a discussion, bullying? If it's not I don't know what is. You say it's just about scientific proof and evasion but it is still bullying.
Well it's not hard to list all my posts in that thread - there's only a singel page of them - www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=Aloysius+the+Gaul
I meant context as a whole, not just in that thread in particular. It's nearly impossible to determine the character of a more or less anonymous person by simply looking at their contributions to a single thread. edit on 30-3-2011 by coyotepoet because: reply to Aloysius edit on 30-3-2011 by coyotepoet because: (no reason given) edit on 30-3-2011 by coyotepoet because: punctuation edit on 30-3-2011 by coyotepoet because: (no reason given) And when I say pack, I mean pack. I'm not saying anything but an observation, but it's interesting to me that this started with an interaction with Chadwickus and grew to include Stars15k, and Aloysius. All three of you are found all over almost every chemtrail thread. Now if I were to get a response on this from someone whose name I didn't recognize from a chemtrail thread, that would be something.
There is nothing said on an open, public internet forum that really matters to anyone besides the other people who post here. The OP was right, it would a big waste of time, money, and man-hours....
“Then, in spring 2008, prices just as mysteriously fell back to their previous level. Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, calls it “a silent mass murder”, entirely due to “man-made actions.” Through the 1990s, Goldman Sachs and others lobbied hard and the regulations [controlling agricultural futures contracts] were abolished. Suddenly, these contracts were turned into “derivatives” that could be bought and sold among traders who had nothing to do with agriculture. A market in “food speculation” was born. The speculators drove the price through the roof.” www.independent.co.uk...
...Today three companies, Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, and Bunge control the world’s grain trade. Chemical giant Monsanto controls three-fifths of seed production. Unsurprisingly, in the last quarter of 2007, even as the world food crisis was breaking, Archer Daniels Midland’s profits jumped 20%, Monsanto 45%, and Cargill 60%. Recent speculation with food commodities has created another dangerous “boom.” After buying up grains and grain futures, traders are hoarding, withholding stocks and further inflating prices.... www.globalissues.org...
“President Bill Clinton, now the UN Special Envoy to Haiti, publicly apologized last month for forcing Haiti to drop tariffs on imported, subsidized US rice during his time in office. The policy wiped out Haitian rice farming and seriously damaged Haiti’s ability to be self-sufficient.” www.democracynow.org...
Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by JiggyPotamus
I think it does go on in certain topics, especially when there is an election coming up as those are times when undecided voters can be swayed.
I do not really think it goes on with highly speculative conspiracies though.
Originally posted by MRuss
The Government is SO concerned about conspiracy theories that they have their own website to combat them:
I hear what you're saying and you make sense, but here's the problem:
You claim that being a disinfo agent at a place like ATS wouldn't be viable since they'd only be reaching a small percentage of the population.
But think about this: Have you seen a You Tube video go viral? How long does it take? And how many people have to see it before it is sent around the world? It only takes one person, my friend. One person at a time. The Government is all too aware about how quickly things spread---and ATS is a breeding ground for discussing conspiracy theories.
I would be surprised if they DIDN'T have some agents trolling around on websites. It would be good practice to find out the who, what, why and when of the so-called "troublemakers" on the Internet so they can be privy to what is going on out here. There is no better place than the Internet to gauge that.
First I'm going to break things into "separate" posts.
Different contractors have been hired for different parts of the airport. They’ve all been fired after their job was done. This lead observers to believe that it was a strategy to make sure nobody had the full scope of the project.