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Topic started on 31-3-2011 @ 01:16 PM by SystemResistor

A thought experiment, that could or could not be based on real phenomena.

Imagine that you are an advanced, intelligent species, that has evolved to a level where the need for physical survival instincts have all been but removed from your awareness. You are beings of pure rationality, technology, intelligence, as well as compassion and common sense. Imagine, that after millions of years of space travelling, visiting various advanced planets, you stumble across a planet where the inhabitants are still in the survivalistic stage of development, where, killing and eating is required for their survival, without it, they would suffer. Yet, also, a gentle and loving species, when taking care of their own offspring. Imagine that, you as an intelligent race, decide to impart your knowledge to them, so they can become as advanced.

Imagine, that, you give them, genetically, modifications that allow them reasoning that they had not possessed before, however, controls that prevent them from acting upon thier more base instincts. Are an intelligent race advanced enough to understand the complex dynamics of a species, evolving over millions of years to reach a delicate stage of equilibrium?

Suppose that, when an individual acts, he or she, when obeying the commands of thier genetic modifications, go against thier primal instinctual drives. However, assume these are the more "base" drives that lead them to violence. Assume that they are given technology, food, the ability to sustain themselves without having to rely upon thier more carnal instincts. Now, imagine, that, every so often, the implants fail, and certain individuals express the inhibited instincts representative of the true desires of the population. Are they evil, or are they simply acting upon the hidden desires of the collective, in a response to their natural souls being corrupted by beings that perceive the soul to be nothing more than "DNA"...

All the religions, all the doctrines, all the technology, do we really oppose our manipulators, or are we still appeasing them, do we turn on each other, or do we recognise the line that they have drawn between us?

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reply posted on 31-3-2011 @ 01:34 PM by Ophiuchus 13

-they are simply acting upon the hidden desires of the collective, in a response to their natural souls being corrupted by beings that perceive the soul to be nothing more than "DNA"... -

All the religions, all the doctrines, all the technology, do we really oppose our manipulators?

NO they just are confused from being mentally misguided - misruled (its their controllers lying faults) and have developed major trust issues with ANYthing FORGOTTEN or in power due to some of their controllers power issues.

or are we still appeasing them, do we turn on each other, or do we recognise the line that they have drawn between us?

We recognize the line and both species recognize one is elder and one is developing, as best they can with so much mistrust and ignorance evol fed to them.

BUT THERE MUST BE UNDERSTANDING BY BOTH SPECIES THERE IS HIGHER GOVERNS-EVEN IF NOT CONSIDERED OR KNOWN OF BY ANY SPECIES. THOSE THAT CREATED ALL AND CAN DESTROY ALL.

Another question is does the species of advanced acknowledge they the maturing species are trying their best to follow but its so clouded with lies, hate and trickery that the maturing part of the species who seek understanding almost cannot find it due to them being tricked. Or does the advanced only observe the leaders?

And to clarify -not all evol- some are though maybe leaders! But as WE all know this goes on a universal level with potentially many species.
Good Question
S&F

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reply posted on 31-3-2011 @ 03:39 PM by SystemResistor

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In other words, should the designers take responsibility for tampering with the superior mechanics of mother nature? Or should they continue to deny the fact that they were not advanced enough to fully understand what they were tampering with, or should they attempt to hide thier shame by placing the onus on us?

reply posted on 31-3-2011 @ 07:06 PM by NorEaster

Originally posted by SystemResistor
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

In other words, should the designers take responsibility for tampering with the superior mechanics of mother nature? Or should they continue to deny the fact that they were not advanced enough to fully understand what they were tampering with, or should they attempt to hide thier shame by placing the onus on us?

So, I guess that this thought experiment presupposes that some advanced civilization came here and turned us all into these carnal beasts that have been genetically modified - as opposed to allowing us all to remain the carnal beasts that naturally express ourselves by killing and eating each other without a second thought.

I find it amusing that there are so many obviously intelligent people who can't imagine a fully natural way that the human animal could have become separated from the planetary herd. One camp invents gods to yank humanity out of the pack and the other camp has space aliens doing the honors. There actually is a very natural explanation for the unique nature of the human body/brain relationship, but unless you re-examine the true nature of physical reality, you'll never understand that explanation.

No gods and no aliens. Just a fundamental ignorance of the nature of physical reality.

reply posted on 1-4-2011 @ 11:57 AM by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by SystemResistor
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

In other words, should the designers take responsibility for tampering with the superior mechanics of mother nature?

Yes they sholud and at the same time evaluate how they have effected the species. If its to late to turn back then accept the changes they have caused and support their new *recreation to the fullest in their development. Just because there may have been modifications doesn't mean nature with GOD influence cannot fix the issue naturally. But to sit back or continue with other practices seems damming to species that is more aware of certain situations. even if some have slipped on their faces and spawned spawned are still part of god CREATOR OF ALLS creations. For father and mommy still come from GOD yes!
The species understands about as much as cows would understand if they one day awake and seen they were used for a more dominate species consuming. The cows would be in fear over massive amounts of time until they from aware exposure begin to process why how and who made their rulers and them as well. And once more over more time the cows will come to understanding that dominate species yes is not GOD just dominate and that GOD resides over dominate and less dominate species. this in turn would have to be recognized by dominate species and may deter from usage of less dominate species. IF YOU CAN FEEL ME....

Originally posted by SystemResistor
Or should they continue to deny the fact that they were not advanced enough to fully understand what they were tampering with, or should they attempt to hide their shame by placing the onus on us?

Being an intelligent advanced species doesn't mean you run a perfect score on everything I associate perfection with the divine. And until greeted by divine we are ALL potentially set to make mistakes AND FACE JUDGMENT FOR SOME OF OUR MOST DESTRUCTIVE MISTAKES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED OR FIXED.. So they must acknowledge WE MADE MISTAKE, a sorry would be nice as its seen many are trying their best here to make sense out of stuff genetically we have forgotten, So in short HELP!!

By blaming and hiding shame it just lowers the chances of being understood and forgiven by the most highest THE WHO MADE EVERYTHING EVEN THOU! YES AS WELL.

The best approach is let be known what deeds considered evol by species were for. It may help the species understand or make them mad but THE TRUTH HURTS SOMETIMES. IT CAN BE OVERCAME/forgiven IF love IS real. And I THINK BY SETTING THE ADVANCED ROLE MODEL SPECIES BEHAVIOR. It will cause potential upset species to rethink how they feel as species evaluates with emotion. Some will keep upset and wont wanna re unite as universal family some will see and say they are evol but many would see they said sorry and we gotta realize that. SO there is room to fix OUR SELVES BEFORE most darkest reach locations or began to interact in the locations they were sent to to observe for potential return of certain energies that thru ego have felt dominate but forgot who the most dominate is and that the most dominate can create even more destructive balances to how shall one say fix none needed energies and send them to their home of dark to be drained and fed off from the most darkest who also is an ANGEL.. AS WELL

So NO BLAME just move on to better things.

I mean humanity will be judged for their actions as well for certain demonic behaviors. It just seems now many other then just. Are comming in to awareness themselves that there is 1 who made us all and I don't think it was done to keep us ignorant and at each others throats. Maybe if all the universal seed worked together there would be so much energy associated with the creator wont have a choice but to personally let us all know GOOD JOB. I WAS WONDERING HOW LONG THIS WAS GONNA TAKE. AND SMILE AT US ALL FOR FINALLY GETTING IT.

Be well

The wrong decision sends some up and many down fro not getting it-YOU ALL ARE 1 PART OF THE MOST HIGHEST.

reply posted on 1-4-2011 @ 12:05 PM by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by NorEaster
So, I guess that this thought experiment presupposes that some advanced civilization came here and turned us all into these carnal beasts that have been genetically modified - as opposed to allowing us all to remain the carnal beasts that naturally express ourselves by killing and eating each other without a second thought.

Somewhat it does say that. But more cleaarly that certains intents were to potentially upgrade a part of our original selves for whatever reason sinister or not to overinfluence our old ways which may have seemed animalistic and destructive from outside lookers who felt new ways may make stronger -BETTER- And is the influence since it seems to fail over time with some caused an evol species which over all it didnt its just some need re booting

Originally posted by NorEaster
I find it amusing that there are so many obviously intelligent people who can't imagine a fully natural way that the human animal could have become separated from the planetary herd. One camp invents gods to yank humanity out of the pack and the other camp has space aliens doing the honors. There actually is a very natural explanation for the unique nature of the human body/brain relationship, but unless you re-examine the true nature of physical reality, you'll never understand that explanation.

No gods and no aliens. Just a fundamental ignorance of the nature of physical reality.

Well this natural way can you explain further as this is kinda important to the OP topic. ANd yes there is a GOD and Aliens or ET depending on their intent.

BE well

reply posted on 1-4-2011 @ 04:04 PM by SystemResistor

I refuse to accept that we are the way we are as a part of natural evolution, there is something artificial that seems to run through our beings. If you have a better explanation of why we are such a disjointed, divisive and unstable species, that only seems to upset the balance of the ecosystem, then please, tell me.

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