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Originally posted by taobo33
it's a joke if china solve taiwan peoblem by using military force will get critical words around the world. look how many countries have diplomacy relationship with taiwan?? and how much with china? even usa government do not recognise taiwan as a country. wake up people , u government put its hands in taiwan just for its own benefit. did u find weapons of mass drstruction in iraq?? of course not but u find a lot of oil.
fact speaks for itself and if u dare to help taiwan every chinese will split their blood with ur self-conceit american soilders and don't forget not all taiwanese support independant, their have chinese name and speak chinese how can every taiwanese welcome u there? make everything clear in case something will make u embarrassed happen when u think people will see u as heros.
Originally posted by jazzmaster
What did he deserve? Even if he were elected by the West to expose the SARS, he was telling the truth anyway.
True or False
1. China was covering the truth about SARS, in fear of the people might know the truth? True
2. Dr. Jiang Yanyong is a real doctor. True.
If he is a real doctor, his job is to help the sick. It is his job to critize the government for not telling their people the truth.
3. Dr. Jiang Yanyong has always been a critic of the government, dating back to the Tiananmen Square massacre. "He had publicly called for a reexamination of the events surrounding the massacre. Several dissidents were harassed and effectively subjected to house arrest. " hrw.org. True. Not only he tried to expose the SARS, he tried to expose the Tiananmen Square massacre.
4. "When a courageous doctor points out the Chinese government's abusive practices, he should be honored". Your opinion, Zcheng.
The reason i brought this issue up is because a few years ago, in my local area, a teacher was exposed of teaching communism idea into children's head while learning Chinese. They were taught the Tiananmen Square massacre was a bluff made up by the West, how the successful the Cultural Revolution was but in fact it was a total disaster.
What "heinous attack" are you talking about?
Originally posted by infovacume
WOW your dumb lol, I know we have rules here, But dam I feel lik e-slapping you. Are you serious man, do you even live in America, if not, how do you know what we went there for? Yeah you'll see a lot idiots on here talking about WMD's not being there, but I will let you in on somthing, people who are mature and well informed KNOW THAT WMD'S WERE ONLY ONE OF THE REASONS FOR GOING INTO IRAQ, Good god can we get just one person who knows that, how is it possible for the whole world to be just so.. just so.. dam dumb. And if you even think that China will crush us,
Originally posted by zcheng
What "heinous attack" are you talking about?
SARS was biological attack against Chinese people by US. It was ethnically targeted toward Chinese people. We will remember this.
[edit on 23-8-2004 by zcheng]
Originally posted by American Mad Man
What a combination, a brainwashed Chicom paroniod conspircy nut!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, you should really get a grip on the real world. The US isn't making a biological attack on you. Those "sessions" you get in school must have really brainwashed you man, I feel bad for you. And if this is just "your personal theory" I feel even worse, because you don't have an excuse for coming up with this garbage.
Originally posted by zcheng
Originally posted by jazzmaster
What did he deserve? Even if he were elected by the West to expose the SARS, he was telling the truth anyway.
True or False
1. China was covering the truth about SARS, in fear of the people might know the truth? True
2. Dr. Jiang Yanyong is a real doctor. True.
If he is a real doctor, his job is to help the sick. It is his job to critize the government for not telling their people the truth.
3. Dr. Jiang Yanyong has always been a critic of the government, dating back to the Tiananmen Square massacre. "He had publicly called for a reexamination of the events surrounding the massacre. Several dissidents were harassed and effectively subjected to house arrest. " hrw.org. True. Not only he tried to expose the SARS, he tried to expose the Tiananmen Square massacre.
4. "When a courageous doctor points out the Chinese government's abusive practices, he should be honored". Your opinion, Zcheng.
As I said before, he can claim some credit for the success of containing SARS. But he was an agent selected by the West to promote the agenda of the West. He violated millitary rules, and he got what he deserves.
The reason i brought this issue up is because a few years ago, in my local area, a teacher was exposed of teaching communism idea into children's head while learning Chinese. They were taught the Tiananmen Square massacre was a bluff made up by the West, how the successful the Cultural Revolution was but in fact it was a total disaster.
I do not deny that some Chinese might held that opinion, but from your description it seems that all Chinese teachers are trying to do the same. We do not deny the Greatness of US people, just because there are criminals like Bush, etc.
For me, the crackdown of Tiananmen Square riot was no different from US crackdown on LA riots etc. It ensured the stability of China and the well-being of all Chinese. The original goal of anti-corruption was good, but it was hijacked as a tool of the West to destabilize China.
Cultural Revolution was a disaster. China lost a generation of development opportunity, because of that.
What "heinous attack" are you talking about?
SARS was biological attack against Chinese people by US. It was ethnically targeted toward Chinese people. We will remember this.
[edit on 23-8-2004 by zcheng]
Originally posted by jazzmaster
Again if only you could give us some evidence exposing that the SARS was a biological attack on China by the US.
I have a question for you. Am i on your ignored list also? Just curious.
Originally posted by zcheng
SARS was biological attack against Chinese people by US. It was ethnically targeted toward Chinese people. We will remember this.
Originally posted by ludahai
He is really wacked, isn't he. And when he loses an argument, he goes and puts the victor on his ignore list so he doesn't have to have a constant reminder of his defeat!
[edit on 2004/8/24 by ludahai]
Originally posted by ludahai
He is really wacked, isn't he. And when he loses an argument, he goes and puts the victor on his ignore list so he doesn't have to have a constant reminder of his defeat!
SARS was biological attack against Chinese people by US. It was ethnically targeted toward Chinese people. We will remember this.
[edit on 23-8-2004 by zcheng]
Originally posted by zcheng
Originally posted by jazzmaster
Again if only you could give us some evidence exposing that the SARS was a biological attack on China by the US.
I have a question for you. Am i on your ignored list also? Just curious.
There are several articles on the specificity of SARS with Chinese origin. You can easily see that pattern on the affected population of SARS. From analyzing the genome of SARS virus, one can be sure that it is a natural mutation from other virus. It is a blend of several kinds of virus. We are certain it is man-made. The creator of the virus is too easy to find out through reasoning. The US media knew the lethality of SARS, they were quite confident that China did not have the ability of contain SARS. They later selected the famed and infamous doctor. I despise those Chinese that sold their heart to West and allow themselves to be used as a tool against China by the West or TI.
My ignored list has FredT, WestPoint23, and ludahai. FredT and WestPoint23 are added because the impossibility to reason with them, and the nonsense they keep repeating. ludahai is added, because he is a diehard TI, like some Nazi members the answer only lies in battlefield.
Originally posted by jazzmaster
All i ask is for you to give us links to the articles of what you are talking about because this accusation is really just an accusation after all. There is no evidence to support your accusation. Take the flu virus for example, they mutate constantly every year, and the genome of it is surely alien, no scientists are sure where they come from. That is also the reason why us in the US have to have a shot each year.
Association of HLA class I with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus infection.
Lin M, Tseng HK, Trejaut JA, Lee HL, Loo JH, Chu CC, Chen PJ, Su YW, Lim KH, Tsai ZU, Lin RY, Lin RS, Huang CH.
Transfusion Medicine Laboratory, Mackay Memorial Hospital, Taipei, Taiwan. [email protected]
BACKGROUND: The human leukocyte antigen (HLA) system is widely used as a strategy in the search for the etiology of infectious diseases and autoimmune disorders. During the Taiwan epidemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), many health care workers were infected. In an effort to establish a screening program for high risk personal, the distribution of HLA class I and II alleles in case and control groups was examined for the presence of an association to a genetic susceptibly or resistance to SARS coronavirus infection. METHODS: HLA-class I and II allele typing by PCR-SSOP was performed on 37 cases of probable SARS, 28 fever patients excluded later as probable SARS, and 101 non-infected health care workers who were exposed or possibly exposed to SARS coronavirus. An additional control set of 190 normal healthy unrelated Taiwanese was also used in the analysis. RESULTS: Woolf and Haldane Odds ratio (OR) and corrected P-value (Pc) obtained from two tails Fisher exact test were used to show susceptibility of HLA class I or class II alleles with coronavirus infection. At first, when analyzing infected SARS patients and high risk health care workers groups, HLA-B*4601 (OR = 2.08, P = 0.04, Pc = n.s.) and HLA-B*5401 (OR = 5.44, P = 0.02, Pc = n.s.) appeared as the most probable elements that may be favoring SARS coronavirus infection. After selecting only a "severe cases" patient group from the infected "probable SARS" patient group and comparing them with the high risk health care workers group, the severity of SARS was shown to be significantly associated with HLA-B*4601 (P = 0.0008 or Pc = 0.0279). CONCLUSIONS: Densely populated regions with genetically related southern Asian populations appear to be more affected by the spreading of SARS infection. Up until recently, no probable SARS patients were reported among Taiwan indigenous peoples who are genetically distinct from the Taiwanese general population, have no HLA-B* 4601 and have high frequency of HLA-B* 1301. While increase of HLA-B* 4601 allele frequency was observed in the "Probable SARS infected" patient group, a further significant increase of the allele was seen in the "Severe cases" patient group. These results appeared to indicate association of HLA-B* 4601 with the severity of SARS infection in Asian populations. Independent studies are needed to test these results.
PMID: 12969506 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I would guess that who ever wrote those articles know very little about biology. I think the pattern of infection extends around the world too, not just on Chinese. There were a dozen cases in the US at the beginning in which those infected were not Chinese nor Asian, but instead Caucasians, I would think that if this virus were ever man-made, the creator would clearly put "make-virus-for-Chinese-only-not-Caucasians" on his list, don't you think so?
I am not sure if some Chinese in the rural part of the country ate some wild animals and contracted the virus from them. Chinese will eat everything they find. The AIDS virus was first contracted from a monkey in Africa.
Originally posted by TACHYON
zcheng, the health conditions in China are the cause of the SARS. Remember the bubonic plague which happend in Europe because of overpopulation and unsanitary conditions. Although this happend on a smaller scale, it was esentially natures way of saying, "stop taking up my resources."
Originally posted by TACHYON
And do you have proof of even which organization released this so called "attack" of SARS. If so how, when, where, and I have already addressed whom. What motive would the West have? What is the gain for the west? Who are the losers in your hypothetical germ warfare game.
Originally posted by zcheng
Originally posted by TACHYON
And do you have proof of even which organization released this so called "attack" of SARS. If so how, when, where, and I have already addressed whom. What motive would the West have? What is the gain for the west? Who are the losers in your hypothetical germ warfare game.
The motivation is so obvious, if you have any brain. As I said, even one person can initiate the attack with the virus in a small vial. Do you think China can track all foreigners in China?
* The National Institute of Virology in Beijing was the most likely source of the outbreak.
* At least four individuals may have been infected with SARS at the Institute. These include the two laboratory workers reported in April, and two additional laboratory workers. These two additional laboratory workers appear to have suffered from SARS-like illnesses in early February 2004. Recent laboratory tests performed at a national reference laboratory were positive for SARS antibodies.
* The use of inactivated SARS coronavirus, which was not tested to determine the effectiveness of the inactivation, in a general laboratory at the Institute appears the most likely cause of the outbreak.
During the investigation, it became apparent that all the positive laboratory workers worked in the same general laboratory at the Institute. Although no research involving live SARS viruses was known to have taken place in this laboratory, SARS coronavirus that had been inactivated in a Biosafety Level 3 laboratory in the Institute was used on several occasions during the early months of 2004 in experiments carried out in this area. The timing of the use of inactivated SARS coronavirus in the general laboratory coincides with the presence there of all the positive workers and with their likely incubation periods.
SARS coronavirus that had been inactivated in a Biosafety Level 3 laboratory in the Institute was used on several occasions during the early months of 2004 in experiments carried out in this area.
Possible cause of laboratory contamination:
Incomplete inactivation of the virus. After the 2004 Chinese Spring Festival, Ren took the "inactivated virus", without strict verification of the inactivation process used, from the BSL-3 laboratory into a regular laboratory for experiments. This coincided with Song and Yang's onsets of disease. The inactivation method was not evaluated effectively. Assessment of effectiveness and quality control procedures were not conducted for each batch of the inactivated viruses.
The investigation concluded that the SARS outbreak originated from laboratory contamination. This was due to poor safety management of laboratories, flawed implementation of regulations, and violation of biosafety rules by laboratory workers.