China tells US Pacific Command chief military contact with Taiwan must stop

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If a war brakes out between china and the usa,it's not the F22's and Apache's that are going to save you hahaha

the us army is having a hard time against rebels with old soviet weapons from the 60's!!! so I can imagine what will happen against a real army

The Chinese government are the kings of propoganda they keep the people subjegated because of it. By the way I could care less about Taiwan As long as the Chinese stay out of my back yard i could give less than a crap.....Eventualy The chinese goverment will fall communism has been proven to be a weak govermental system the Chinese and Castro are the only one still able to maintain it.....and when Castro dies so does his Empire.The chinese goverment will fall it is only a matter of time

Originally posted by Truth_Hunter_1976
The Chinese government are the kings of propoganda they keep the people subjegated because of it. By the way I could care less about Taiwan As long as the Chinese stay out of my back yard i could give less than a crap.....Eventualy The chinese goverment will fall communism has been proven to be a weak govermental system the Chinese and Castro are the only one still able to maintain it.....and when Castro dies so does his Empire.The chinese goverment will fall it is only a matter of time

You apparently still live in the eighties. China has never been communism, it was socialism. Today it is a blend of Socialism and Capitalism. Do you know how many US companies in China? Will communism allow the profiting of cheap labour in China?

You are brainwashed, and disconnected from reality.

real communism never existed.all supposedly communist countries where dictatorships (CCCP,North Korea,Cuba...)

Originally posted by zcheng

Tell me who ruled the rest PART of Taiwan? When Hawaii was incorporated into US, do not tell me that they voluntarily joined? I guess US will return New Mexico, Texas, California to Mexico. Considering the fact that US TODAY still trying to colonize Iraq and build the EMPIRE, US lost all its credibility to the world.

That would be mostly the Taiwanese aboriginies!

As for Texas, the Texans won their independence, asked for incorporation into the U.S.. That was initially refused. Nine years later, they were welcomed into the Union.

New Mexico, California, Arizona, et. al. were ceded to the United States in a legally binding treaty after a boundary dispute between the countries broke into all out war.

There were many that considered Manchus invaders, but the over the hundreds of years, the Manchus have integrated and became an integral part of Chinese people. China today has 56 nationalities.

They were considered invaders in 1642, and they were still considered foreigners by most Chinese in 1911!

China has 55 nationalities (sic), Taiwan's Yuanzhumin don't count as it isn't inside China.

I guess you represent the Chinese people.

Never said that I did. However, a government who holds their people together by the force of arms can't credibly claim to represent their people either.

Mongolia, Vietnam, and Koreas are nations recognized by the all other nations. Mongolia became independent with the help of Soviet Union when China was so weak and faced aggression from Japan. Then government KMT and later CCP recognized the independence state of Mongolia. Without receiving the approval of Chinese government and people, Mongolia would face possible wars. It is the same reason why East Timor has to get approval from Indonesia to become Independent. Taiwan is facing the same situation. Taiwan can follow the way of Mongolia or East Timor, when China is so weak or Taiwan get approval from China.

The only time Mongolia was ever under the Chinese orbit was when foreign peoples conquered China. The Han NEVER conquered Mongolia. The Khitan did, the Mongolians themselves conquered China, and the Manchus did. However, the Han themselves never did.

Indonesia's incorporation of East Timor was illegal from the outset. In case you forgot, the Indonesians resisted the referendum in East Timor, but the United Nations forced them to accept the result of the referendum. Likewise, Taiwan deserves a referendum, however, since China has no respect for international law, it is entirely possible Taiwan won't get it without a fight.

Dumbest ever comment.

Considering some of the comments YOU have come up with, you shouldn't be saying this. However, the reason you say this is because you certainly have no retort to it, because the analogy is spot on and you can't deal with that!

Originally posted by zcheng

You apparently still live in the eighties. China has never been communism, it was socialism. Today it is a blend of Socialism and Capitalism. Do you know how many US companies in China? Will communism allow the profiting of cheap labour in China?

You are brainwashed, and disconnected from reality.

True, China is not communist. However, it is totalitarian AND imperialistic. A dangerous combination that needs to be watch before the Chinese leaders become like Hitler.

Let compare compare government types

- Socialism: Along with communism, Dictatorship, and Anarchy, once the leader gets to the top chair, he controls every aspects of the country from the economy to military. He will never be replaced until his death. If he's a competent leader, the nation benifits from his leadership. But if he is not, then the country become chaotic and messy. I believe even though Mr. Hu Jintao is now referred as President but the term is still infinite.

Once the leader is replaced, the country turns chaotic due to the fact that the new leader has no idea nor experience to do the job. The cycle goes on and on
- Democracy - we have runners for president from different parties even though the Demorats and Replublican gets the most attention and they are the two most powerful parties in the US. The term is 4 years in which he/she gets the chance to lead the country. This routine transition create gives every a chance to lead at least one (in theory because there are so many people). If Zcheng argues that every runner is filthy rich, then he does not understand US' s history as we thought. Most the most recent runner for vice is John Edward. Edward is not from a rich family. Anyway this prevent corruption because a new change is expected every four years.

Using cowism, the definition of capitalism is; If you have 2 cows, you sell one and buy a bull; you then sell all the excess milk to the government who in turn ships it to fascist and communist governments
This is the role China is playing right now. China is actually supporting the oppsite of what the US is doing.

Take Cosovo for example, China supported the rebel that fought against the US and UN. On that course, Chinese embassy was bombed. There are aurguments saying that it was a mistake but my belief is that it was not a mistake at all. My opinion is that Chinese wanted the challange the US but they did not think through, plus China did not have any particularly legitimate reason to do so.

Originally posted by ludahai
True, China is not communist. However, it is totalitarian AND imperialistic. A dangerous combination that needs to be watch before the Chinese leaders become like Hitler.

Heh Heh too late just ask the people of Tibet what they think of the Chinese leadership

perhaps i should tell you that Taiwan is a part of china,it was ,is never a country,and never will be.almost every country in the world recognize that(including the US of course),the reason why it's isolated from the chinesemainland is because of the civil war broke out in china after the WW2.the problem remain unsettled for half a century,but like any other country,china will not tolerate part of it declare independence.
so it's surprising to see such opinons
1:china is trying to "invade" Taiwan
2: china want to start a war because of money(or sth like that)
war is only the resort,and china will suffer great loss from it.if Taiwan doesn't declare independence(though actually it is independent),there will never be a war.
the real threat is that the US continuously sending singals that it will "help"
Taiwan,thus increasing the danger of its declaring independence(and the
war).
As the US is the only superpower in the world,china of course don't want to be its enemy,but if Taiwan declares indepence ,then China has no choice.
It surprised me when i see so many people with little knowledge of the "Taiwan issue"here are talking about war.it is dangerous.

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what's the problem with taiwan being independant?why does china want them so much?

Originally posted by DarkSide
what's the problem with taiwan being independant?why does china want them so much?

Like Zcheng said : "Territorial intergrity" as if Taiwan was ever part of China. There is no evidence to support it

Second, it is the economy of Taiwan that China wants. China also wants the talents from Taiwan just like Hong Kong. They could have taken over Taiwan a long time ago when Tainwan was nothing but now China sees its vast potential of becoming the next superpower(only economically, not militarily but that is a very big piece of pie to have) in the process of intergrating Taiwan into China.
If Taiwan were to be enlarged like China in terms of land mass, they would become the next superpower in Asia at least along with Japan. Taiwan is very competent in everything it is doing.

thanks

it's all about $�� as usual

Originally posted by DarkSide
what's the problem with taiwan being independant?why does china want them so much?

Imagine if the state of New York declared itself independent. A lot of Americans would be very upset.

This thread is amusing!

Do any of you realize that the U.S. cannot afford to fight China, let alone "help" Taiwan fight back China? The U.S. has economic interests that'll be lost right away the moment the U.S. gives a single 9mm round to Taiwan. It's about the money, always has been, always will be.

Besides, the U.S. will get the short end of any war with China in the long run.

And WestPoint23, I really hate to say this, but the U.S. Military Academy isn't for you. It's for people willing to look beyond the surface. Since your first post on ATS, none of your posts have gone beyond it. UGA will be more suitable for you.

Originally posted by ludahai
That would be mostly the Taiwanese aboriginies! They were considered invaders in 1642, and they were still considered foreigners by most Chinese in 1911! China has 55 nationalities (sic), Taiwan's Yuanzhumin don't count as it isn't inside China.

There are 56 nationalities. Taiwan's Yuanzhumin belongs to GaoSan Zhu (nationalty). Yes, many people were blaming on the Qing Dynasty and Manchu nationality. In retrospect, most Manchu nationals were simply common people and had integrated into Chinese people.

Similar things are happening in Taiwan with despise for people from Mainland China moved to Taiwan over half century ago.

I just noticed that you are from Gaochung, Taiwan Province of China. I will tell you that it will be first city to be attack by PLA. Hope you will fight heroically to defend Taiwan Indepence, and not flee at the first moment!

For people like you, the outcome can only achieved in battlefield, not through arguments.

Good luck to you dream of Taiwan Independence!

Originally posted by jazzmaster
Like Zcheng said : "Territorial intergrity" as if Taiwan was ever part of China. There is no evidence to support it

Do Taiwan people write and speak Taiwanese? Have you ever visited the National Museum in Taipei and see the collections? Have you read the constitution of ROC? Do you know what ROC stands for?

Second, it is the economy of Taiwan that China wants. China also wants the talents from Taiwan just like Hong Kong. They could have taken over Taiwan a long time ago when Tainwan was nothing but now China sees its vast potential of becoming the next superpower(only economically, not militarily but that is a very big piece of pie to have) in the process of intergrating Taiwan into China.

Lots of Taiwan business have moved to Mainland China, the trend is still accelerating.

Quite the opposite actually. In term of governship, if Taiwan economy is destroyed, it will be much easier to govern. For example, no money to purchase weapon from US.

Any one noticed what Australia foreign minister had said regarding the Taiwan issue? The possible coalition for intervention in Taiwan Strait has some problem.

Originally posted by FredT
Heh Heh too late just ask the people of Tibet what they think of the Chinese leadership

I have been to Tibet. Those willing to talk (very few admittedly) told me that they didn't like it at all. Many still secretly have pictures of the Dalai Lama in their homes.

Originally posted by zcheng
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Do Taiwan people write and speak Taiwanese? Have you ever visited the National Museum in Taipei and see the collections? Have you read the constitution of ROC? Do you know what ROC stands for?

Actually, about 70% of Taiwanese people speak Taiwanese as their first language (that percentage was much higher before the Chinese KMT illegally set up shop here in the late 40s)

The Constitution of the ROC was forced on the Taiwanese people. Taiwan wasn't even invited to send delegates to the Constitutional convention in Nanjing in 1947, even though (according to KMT REVISED Taiwan history) it was supposedly a "restored province" in 1945. What a JOKE!

Lots of Taiwan business have moved to Mainland China, the trend is still accelerating.

They are there to take advantage of the near slave labor wages prevalent in much of China as well as the nearly nonexistant environmental regulations.

Quite the opposite actually. In term of governship, if Taiwan economy is destroyed, it will be much easier to govern. For example, no money to purchase weapon from US.

And constant guerrilla war from the Taiwanese people for decades!