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To All Jews Who Are Under The Mistaken Belief That God Gave Them The Land Of Israel To The Exclusion
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Lynda101
READ my words VERY carefully.......
ISRAEL IS GOING NO WHERE, it is here to stay and there's bloody NOTHING you can say or do about it !!!
You have said that already, and the first time you said it, it was as if such a proposition was self-evident. It is not. For one thing the demographics point to an ever-increasing Palestinian population, and a not-so-ever-increasing Jewish population. In such a situation, the Jews will be impelled to even more hate and violence than at present, in order to stay dominant. However, that will take the shine off their haloes, and diminish support from supporters. In the long run, ZOG can not depend on unending support from countries like the USA and Germany. Very soon, the USA is going to descend into the chaos of collapse, and support will end sooner or later. Germany at some point will say, "Enough!" ZOG is not sustainable. Time and circumstance will take it down, as they have taken down every human society which dares indulge in hubris.
Originally posted by Lynda101
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Lynda101
READ my words VERY carefully.......
ISRAEL IS GOING NO WHERE, it is here to stay and there's bloody NOTHING you can say or do about it !!!
I suggest before you write you little words, swear and splutter out your usual dogma, which relates to nothing tangible incidentally, you start thinking about what has been posted, because your blinkered dogma does not add a thing to the discussion.
You replied to a post asking where is God now because although we have him from the past and prophesy of him in the future, his commandments are being broken now and have always been yet he is off elsewhere. Is Israel in the Time of the Great Tribulation awaiting Gods Judgement? Any comment or is that question something you are incapable of reading carefully for yourself, interpreting what has been said and replying to its point using intelligent thought rather than dogmatic twoddle? Of course if you find the reasonable, unreasonable, then either ignore or bluster.
Regarding Israel you seem a little perturbed about me saying or doing anything about it. Its a funny one isn't it? If one says Oi! what have you borrowed from older cultures than your own eg Adapa and the south Wind, Athahasis, The Epic of Gilgamesh and of course the Enuma Elish and the Babylonian - Sumerian Gods - here we go back what 5000BC aeons before Abraham, you have to admit, how on earth did Gods from that time who were obviously Pagan and, before the Hebrews existed give a land to them?? It is awkward isn't it because if you wipe away Judiasm's claims, then also away with Christianity and Islam - so you can't really go in that direction because to do so would be even more destructive than constructive and it would loose the humanitarian sides in those religions.
What you miss with your dogmatic blustering is that most people don't mind about Israel one way or the other. They are very well informed today, better than ever before and capable of seeing exactly what is being exacted out on the world stage and making their own judgements on these actions. You also seem oblivious of the fact that any Jews who are not Khazar wouldn't live there, they just want the dominating party to stop the bloodshed, and run it property and prosperously and not involve the rest of the world. if the people there can't run a tiny little country like Israel, and they couldn't take the Lebanon when they invaded it then clearly YHWH doesn't appear to be helping.
Reply to Gadaub23: Excellent Comrade! I congratulate you on your speed with using the anti-semite disinfo propaganda! Anyone who says anything against
Israel or the zionist agenda, mark then a Jew hating ant-semite!
Originally posted by gem_man
Since I travel to Israel frequently on business I have had many opportunities to speak with Rabbis and less devout Jews on many issues including the historical ownership of the land of Israel. I have been told many times that Israel, including "Greater Israel" (The land from the Nile to the Euphrates) has been allocated to the Jews by God. It is their passionate belief.
This belief is the reason that the government of Israel sends settlers into the West Bank to establish settlements. It is the reason so many non Jews have been forced into exile as refugees, displaced from homes and land their families have occupied for many generations.
So is this the true covenant with God? That Jews have a biblical right to this land to the exclusion of others? Well, lets take a closer look at this. In fact, Genesis, chapter 24 (where the covenant is established) certainly does NOT give anything to Jews. Nothing! The covenant is with the OFFSPRING of Abraham. It has absolutely nothing to do with the a religion. Now, the offspring of Abraham includes some people who happen to practice the jewish religion but also some who have chosen Islam or Christianity as their religion of choice.
I hope your post contributes to peace in the middle east
Originally posted by Lynda101
I have been reading the recent posts and they are about what God said and his involvement- in the past and what God said - will happen in the future and his future involvement. There is actually reams and reams of it.
What none of you are saying is about God's involvement in the pertinent NOW and what is happening to all the people living there NOW... you would think God would have been far more active NOW instead of silent and actually missing;
especially when there is the blatant obvious fact that most his commandments are all being ignorred and broken, surely an Angel or some heavenly being might have been available to sort out the mess if he can't be here NOW.
You can bring up prophesy and say this prophesy tells us about this or that specific action but you can't dodge the fact that whom is being discussed here is God, whom is unavailable and silent when needed most is the God you avidly speak of.
I am just a human being and do not know God's plans other than what has been written. All I know and what other Christians, Israel supporters, know is that Israel will continue to stand till the end. It has been prophesised the land will not be taken because it is the apple of his eye, but when all nations surround it thinking they will take it is when Jesus returns.
Until Israel does not stand as a nation as many of you believe will happen, you cannot denounce our faith in the Lord that his eye is on Israel for a very special reason. He is protecting that land because it is the promised land. Israel plays a huge part in faith because it still stands even when all nations surround it. If it continues to stand when all nations literally surround it ready to blow it out of the atmosphere is going to be eye opening for many people and hopefully will make you realise we all have a saviour and going against Israel is going against Him.
Of course if this didn't happen, that all nations do away with Israel, Israel is no more, of course that would make athiests out of all of us. But of course that won't happen because Christians know God is not going to allow anyone to touch Israel as he hasn't allowed so far.
It is so obvious and yet many refuse to see it for what it is. Rumor has it that Obama is going to serve a second term. Does it mean that people will
vote, but it will be just a formality, that it will be just to pacify, and make everyone think they had a part in it? Or will it be that everyone will
have been asleep all these past years and didn't see anything that happened?
I'm very afraid for the U.S.of A. the future looks very bleak, I really do pray that what I feel won't really happen.
I'm very afraid for the U.S.of A. the future looks very bleak, I really do pray that what I feel won't really happen.
edit on 12-4-2011 by hawaii50th because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by hawaii50th
It is so obvious and yet many refuse to see it for what it is. Rumor has it that Obama is going to serve a second term. Does it mean that people will vote, but it will be just a formality, that it will be just to pacify, and make everyone think they had a part in it? Or will it be that everyone will have been asleep all these past years and didn't see anything that happened?
I'm very afraid for the U.S.of A. the future looks very bleak, I really do pray that what I feel won't really happen.
edit on 12-4-2011 by hawaii50th because: (no reason given)
Don't worry Hawaii, whether Obama is Muslim or not, he will never take God's land. He is just a human powerless to God's control, as is Palestine and other nations who will wage war against Israel. But they can't take something with the power of God behind it.
Nothing will ever happen to Israel even when they try.
reply to post by australian2011
God hasn't saved Israel..
The West has and mainly US $$s and weapons..
I didn't see them fighter jets fall from heaven and I doubt God prints money..
Of course if this didn't happen, that all nations do away with Israel, Israel is no more, of course that would make athiests out of all of us. But of course that won't happen because Christians know God is not going to allow anyone to touch Israel as he hasn't allowed so far.
God hasn't saved Israel..
The West has and mainly US $$s and weapons..
I didn't see them fighter jets fall from heaven and I doubt God prints money..
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by australian2011
Of course if this didn't happen, that all nations do away with Israel, Israel is no more, of course that would make athiests out of all of us. But of course that won't happen because Christians know God is not going to allow anyone to touch Israel as he hasn't allowed so far.
God hasn't saved Israel..
The West has and mainly US $$s and weapons..
I didn't see them fighter jets fall from heaven and I doubt God prints money..
See, that's where many misses the big picture, many fail to see the Hand of God in how Israel came to be a strong nation again after the Jews having been spread out around the world. I guess it's all about having the sight to see the spiritual significance in it all.
You think just because someone has something it's completely all their own doing. Well, it's a lot more than that, it's a lot more than meets the eye. You can be blessed with goodness and riches, and you can be cursed with things that eventually wither away and give you pleasure for just a short time.
Today, what is happening to a once and mighty nation called the United States of America is the curse that was brought on by it's leaders and it's immoral followers of all the carnal pleasures. It is also the mistake to turn it's back on Israel. The leader of the U.S. comes from darkness not light, and he is leading the country to it's doom with the help of his followers and handlers.
reply to post by australian2011
Yes I know that he will not win in the end. Obama is very curious to me, who is he really? Is he the one, the son of perdition? I think we will find out, some time after November 2012. Unless he gets impeached before than, but my gut feeling is I doubt that of happening.
Yes I know that he will not win in the end. Obama is very curious to me, who is he really? Is he the one, the son of perdition? I think we will find out, some time after November 2012. Unless he gets impeached before than, but my gut feeling is I doubt that of happening.
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Today, what is happening to a once and mighty nation called the United States of America is the curse that was brought on by it's leaders and it's immoral followers of all the carnal pleasures. It is also the mistake to turn it's back on Israel. The leader of the U.S. comes from darkness not light, and he is leading the country to it's doom with the help of his followers and handlers.
Let's put this into tighter focus, shall we? America has peaked out and is currently in decline, and this has happened since 1948. The curse, if you choose to see it that way, was brought on by leaders who were overwhelmingly subservient to "Israel." The "immoral followers of all the carnal pleasures" were ordinary people who were mesmerized by a largely Jewish Hollywood, and gambling, drugs, and porn, in which Jews are often involved. That "I will bless those that bless thee..." theology is flatly contradicted by China, which kicked its Jews out, and proceeded on to 10% growth per year for many years.
The "Support the Jews" theology does not jibe with the real world. or with the Bible, properly interpreted. We see televangelist after televangelist praise "Israel," but how many people stop to connect the dots? The media is largely owned by Jewish interests, so that message is a slam-dunk. We believe in a free press, but the contrary view is relegated to a few AM radio stations and privately-printed pamphlets. It all feeds on itself. John Hagee, in particular, has even denied Christ in order to lift up the Jews (that old "special relationship" thing).
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by hawaii50th
Today, what is happening to a once and mighty nation called the United States of America is the curse that was brought on by it's leaders and it's immoral followers of all the carnal pleasures. It is also the mistake to turn it's back on Israel. The leader of the U.S. comes from darkness not light, and he is leading the country to it's doom with the help of his followers and handlers.
Let's put this into tighter focus, shall we? America has peaked out and is currently in decline, and this has happened since 1948. The curse, if you choose to see it that way, was brought on by leaders who were overwhelmingly subservient to "Israel." The "immoral followers of all the carnal pleasures" were ordinary people who were mesmerized by a largely Jewish Hollywood, and gambling, drugs, and porn, in which Jews are often involved. That "I will bless those that bless thee..." theology is flatly contradicted by China, which kicked its Jews out, and proceeded on to 10% growth per year for many years.
The "Support the Jews" theology does not jibe with the real world. or with the Bible, properly interpreted. We see televangelist after televangelist praise "Israel," but how many people stop to connect the dots? The media is largely owned by Jewish interests, so that message is a slam-dunk. We believe in a free press, but the contrary view is relegated to a few AM radio stations and privately-printed pamphlets. It all feeds on itself. John Hagee, in particular, has even denied Christ in order to lift up the Jews (that old "special relationship" thing).
This is the same blame game nothing new here. In fact it is no different than Johnny told me to do it, so it's his fault. Instead of taking on ones responsibility for ones own actions it is better to blame someone else, that's what it amounts to.
Who cares who did what, what's most important is how do we correct our own mistakes, that's what matters most in the end. Pointing the finger at someone else does not solve problems, it only creates more, and we stay at a stand still while things only get worse. We end up playing right into the hands of those that spread deception and those that want to control.
edit on 12-4-2011 by hawaii50th because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by hawaii50th
This is the same blame game nothing new here. In fact it is no different than Johnny told me to do it, so it's his fault. Instead of taking on ones responsibility for ones own actions it is better to blame someone else, that's what it amounts to.
Who cares who did what, what's most important is how do we correct our own mistakes, that's what matters most in the end. Pointing the finger at someone else does not solve problems, it only creates more, and we stay at a stand still while things only get worse. We end up playing right into the hands of those that spread deception and those that want to control.edit on 12-4-2011 by hawaii50th because: (no reason given)
Agreed. People should take responsibility, and not transfer their own hatred and terrorism on "terrorists," Muslim or otherwise. Disengage from your loyalties, biases, and prejudices, and see how things really are. However, statements like "Who cares who did what..." are another way of saying "I am not willing to deal with those issues." Be certain that you are not among those who spread deception and want to control. Laz is only trying to open peoples' eyes to theology which serves another cause than the cause of Christ.
Originally posted by gem_man
Now, the offspring of Abraham includes some people who happen to practice the jewish religion but also some who have chosen Islam or Christianity as their religion of choice
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God
For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings about wrath
He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem
which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar
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12-4-2011 by Rustami because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by hawaii50th
This is the same blame game nothing new here. In fact it is no different than Johnny told me to do it, so it's his fault. Instead of taking on ones responsibility for ones own actions it is better to blame someone else, that's what it amounts to.
Who cares who did what, what's most important is how do we correct our own mistakes, that's what matters most in the end. Pointing the finger at someone else does not solve problems, it only creates more, and we stay at a stand still while things only get worse. We end up playing right into the hands of those that spread deception and those that want to control.edit on 12-4-2011 by hawaii50th because: (no reason given)
Agreed. People should take responsibility, and not transfer their own hatred and terrorism on "terrorists," Muslim or otherwise. Disengage from your loyalties, biases, and prejudices, and see how things really are. However, statements like "Who cares who did what..." are another way of saying "I am not willing to deal with those issues." Be certain that you are not among those who spread deception and want to control. Laz is only trying to open peoples' eyes to theology which serves another cause than the cause of Christ.
Yes you are right when you put Christ into the equation. Seek out what comes from Christ and you will find truth and where we are headed in this world of deceit.
First off what we lack in this world is love between our fellow man, but there's more to it than that causing this lack of love.
Originally posted by australian2011
Originally posted by Lynda101
I have been reading the recent posts and they are about what God said and his involvement- in the past and what God said - will happen in the future and his future involvement. There is actually reams and reams of it.
What none of you are saying is about God's involvement in the pertinent NOW and what is happening to all the people living there NOW... you would think God would have been far more active NOW instead of silent and actually missing;
especially when there is the blatant obvious fact that most his commandments are all being ignorred and broken, surely an Angel or some heavenly being might have been available to sort out the mess if he can't be here NOW.
You can bring up prophesy and say this prophesy tells us about this or that specific action but you can't dodge the fact that whom is being discussed here is God, whom is unavailable and silent when needed most is the God you avidly speak of.
I am just a human being and do not know God's plans other than what has been written. All I know and what other Christians, Israel supporters, know is that Israel will continue to stand till the end. It has been prophesised the land will not be taken because it is the apple of his eye, but when all nations surround it thinking they will take it is when Jesus returns.
Until Israel does not stand as a nation as many of you believe will happen, you cannot denounce our faith in the Lord that his eye is on Israel for a very special reason. He is protecting that land because it is the promised land. Israel plays a huge part in faith because it still stands even when all nations surround it. If it continues to stand when all nations literally surround it ready to blow it out of the atmosphere is going to be eye opening for many people and hopefully will make you realise we all have a saviour and going against Israel is going against Him.
Of course if this didn't happen, that all nations do away with Israel, Israel is no more, of course that would make athiests out of all of us. But of course that won't happen because Christians know God is not going to allow anyone to touch Israel as he hasn't allowed so far.
Hello Australian 2011 thank you for your reply to my post.I am making some points in reply, not in an antagonizing way, but putting them up for discussion.
Your first sentence makes the valid point we only know what we have been told by those who wrote God's plan down for him and who didn't mention Jesus. by name. Titles used then, we know could relate to either God or a King and what is also blythly ignorred is that at that time, the peoples involved were Pagan with a very rich optomistic belief system and totally different view of life and worship to the biblical one that the Scribes created when they wrote their version of history.
Politics actually came before religion. and the land now called Israel is fertile, apart from odd famines However, it exists in an area consisting of desert. Quite logically where would you like to live were you in that vicinity then?
I think you have also gained the impression that anyone raising objections to history being manipulated, is attacking your personal Christian faith. The two are separate things. Your relationship with your God is sacred to you, no other human can come between that, unless you come out of that personal sancity and then go on to politics and turn your God into a land owning King or worse swallow a recent theme being played as loudly as it possibly can , that its Christians and their governments that must support Israel. Wake up is God giving Israel the huge amount of aid she takes in each year, yet has no starving as in Africa etc. No God is not helping,whose helping are people who have been inveigled by other people into doing so.
Incidentally when you think of Christ's battle, it was actually with the Pharasee Priesthood and Scribes and their false claims. (you will obviously know that the Sadducees didn't fare any better against them either) and in the end the Pharasees used politics to destroy him, they didn't rely on God to do it did they? Ever thought why is there no record of the Pharisees petitioning God to ask for his help against Christ first?
Originally posted by Lynda101
Originally posted by australian2011
Originally posted by Lynda101
I have been reading the recent posts and they are about what God said and his involvement- in the past and what God said - will happen in the future and his future involvement. There is actually reams and reams of it.
What none of you are saying is about God's involvement in the pertinent NOW and what is happening to all the people living there NOW... you would think God would have been far more active NOW instead of silent and actually missing;
especially when there is the blatant obvious fact that most his commandments are all being ignorred and broken, surely an Angel or some heavenly being might have been available to sort out the mess if he can't be here NOW.
You can bring up prophesy and say this prophesy tells us about this or that specific action but you can't dodge the fact that whom is being discussed here is God, whom is unavailable and silent when needed most is the God you avidly speak of.
I am just a human being and do not know God's plans other than what has been written. All I know and what other Christians, Israel supporters, know is that Israel will continue to stand till the end. It has been prophesised the land will not be taken because it is the apple of his eye, but when all nations surround it thinking they will take it is when Jesus returns.
Until Israel does not stand as a nation as many of you believe will happen, you cannot denounce our faith in the Lord that his eye is on Israel for a very special reason. He is protecting that land because it is the promised land. Israel plays a huge part in faith because it still stands even when all nations surround it. If it continues to stand when all nations literally surround it ready to blow it out of the atmosphere is going to be eye opening for many people and hopefully will make you realise we all have a saviour and going against Israel is going against Him.
Of course if this didn't happen, that all nations do away with Israel, Israel is no more, of course that would make athiests out of all of us. But of course that won't happen because Christians know God is not going to allow anyone to touch Israel as he hasn't allowed so far.
Hello Australian 2011 thank you for your reply to my post.I am making some points in reply, not in an antagonizing way, but putting them up for discussion.
Your first sentence makes the valid point we only know what we have been told by those who wrote God's plan down for him and who didn't mention Jesus. by name. Titles used then, we know could relate to either God or a King and what is also blythly ignorred is that at that time, the peoples involved were Pagan with a very rich optomistic belief system and totally different view of life and worship to the biblical one that the Scribes created when they wrote their version of history.
Politics actually came before religion. and the land now called Israel is fertile, apart from odd famines However, it exists in an area consisting of desert. Quite logically where would you like to live were you in that vicinity then?
I think you have also gained the impression that anyone raising objections to history being manipulated, is attacking your personal Christian faith. The two are separate things. Your relationship with your God is sacred to you, no other human can come between that, unless you come out of that personal sancity and then go on to politics and turn your God into a land owning King or worse swallow a recent theme being played as loudly as it possibly can , that its Christians and their governments that must support Israel. Wake up is God giving Israel the huge amount of aid she takes in each year, yet has no starving as in Africa etc. No God is not helping,whose helping are people who have been inveigled by other people into doing so.
Incidentally when you think of Christ's battle, it was actually with the Pharasee Priesthood and Scribes and their false claims. (you will obviously know that the Sadducees didn't fare any better against them either) and in the end the Pharasees used politics to destroy him, they didn't rely on God to do it did they? Ever thought why is there no record of the Pharisees petitioning God to ask for his help against Christ first?
Maybe because the Pharisees were interested only about their own clout and self interest just like today's major man made religions. Why do you think there's the story of Christ in the temple upsetting the money changers tables, those that were doing business in a place of worship. They were defiling God's temple, they didn't really believe, only in words but not in actions. The stories, the writings in the bible are not just for that time, it applies today in many churches that only give lip service. And these men that wrote what they did was not from their own minds but from the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God. But it is not accepted today as from God, it is ridiculed and put down as only from the thoughts of men which is an abomination to the Lord God. By doing this man is calling God a Liar and that is a grave mistake to do so. Today mankind is showing God as weak and not all powerful. Those Pharisees were self righteous in their ways, actions and thoughts no different than many today in churches, governments and everyday people.
Any of you interested in learning this through biblical means should go to the site "Jews against Zionism". They have really great articles
discussing their case against Zionism and why Jews or others shouldn't support Zionism.
Jews Aganist Zionism
Jews Aganist Zionism
When it comes to Judeaism, Christianity, and Islam you will never win a conversation when truth is presented. They are masters of bait and switch. You
will know them by their fruits. Not all the scriptures(verses are false) but the true ones are buried deep by the LIE.
If you have your God antennae up you will hear and see the truth. If you do not you will not. Doesnt make you good or bad or evil...just means you have lack of knowledge.
If you have your God antennae up you will hear and see the truth. If you do not you will not. Doesnt make you good or bad or evil...just means you have lack of knowledge.
reply to post by AnimositisominA
what if I was to tell you we are all chosen. Yes even Hitler, Saddam Hussein, all those people you say are evil and dispicable.
Awfully large pill to swallow but generally truth just seems big and hard to swallow because we have lived in a lie for so so long.
what if I was to tell you we are all chosen. Yes even Hitler, Saddam Hussein, all those people you say are evil and dispicable.
Awfully large pill to swallow but generally truth just seems big and hard to swallow because we have lived in a lie for so so long.