FBI asks public for help breaking encrypted notes tied to 1999 murder

reply to post by Mr1977


Indeed, could be the case.
So random dosnt mean anything.
If anyone does crack it will be like finding something thats not there.

Looks like it's recruitment season?

reply to post by SlyingFaucers


Interesting.... I took your typed post and did a replace RSTLNE with *

Definetly some kind of pattern... CB is now all over the place.

Hey, if someone wants to type out the complete doc, I can play "replace" with * games to see what patterns emerge. I love a good puzzle.

(M*DMKW M***-*-*-PAK*A**)(A**M)
*F****PK***WPB***CB*****P***I*C
P****M*** DP**H*DW*D*CB* (*FX*F*CX**CB*)
A*-P*PPI*X*YPPIY*CB*MGK**I*CD*CB****P***
W*D*CB************X**C****-CI****W*D*CB*
A*W*P*CB***M*****U*G****A**W*D*CB*
(*OPF** ***** *CB*) ***GDDM****CU***CB***
(**W**F*** *CB*****CB*I*C)
(F**** P***O*D*71*CB*)
(CD***P***O**F*74*CB*)
(P*+**P***O***D*75*CB*)
(*F**CM*P*O**M*D**U** *O** W*D*IX*D*CB*)
(194W*D’**CB*)(**FX*)

Im gonna go with the yahoo guy.

Get the FBI to put their shorthand people on to the job. The note looks like someone with basic shorthand skills has been trying to transcribe something written in shorthand. Still working on it, but I've picked up so far several words, including "evil", "market" and "Underworld". Could be a psycho raving working on his own little code, or it could have been a journalist making cryptic notes. Interesting.

We actually just need another Rainman of sorts; a savant that could help us out.

reply to post by MikeBoss


When you really break these two posts down and look at it you have PO(medication given by mouth), Depue maybe not Susan Depue but Heidi Depue a psychologist from Springfield, MO (psychologist's can prescribe medication). Her phone number ends in 5400 coincidence i think not...well maybe.

So my prediction is that Heidi Depue may have administered him some medication, and he had a bad reaction due to the volume of it, or something along the lines of this.

Originally posted by Mr1977
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, these notes have no significance. I'm just saying, 12 years and the Fed's plus who knows how many VERY talented code breakers i.e people and computer programs have not been able to figure this out. In my opinion, and this is just my opinion. The FBI knows this and this is just a clever ploy to lure out the unknown "suspect". Even with the repeating NCBE, WLD and the SE. It could just be the "suspect" toying with the authorities. And with the Fed's releasing this to the public for their "help", well, that could just be them hoping and praying that the killer slips up and maybe comes out of hiding if he/she catches wind of this. I know that's what I would do. Because I do know that if I was head of the FBI, I would not want to be catching flack when an every day citizen cracks this case. Just saying.

I thought the same thing right away. The killer might have just done it for the lolz. Or to throw them off the scent maybe?

reply to post by tangotemper


I was thinking along the same lines. Maybe it is shorthand for a business deal that went wrong, and that's what got him killed at the end of the day? Or maybe shorthand notes from a meeting with Company Bosses, and he planned on spilling the beans about some bad practices withing the company????

Here is the first clue:

Whoever wrote that note had a very bad teacher - what disgusting writing/printing!

As an avid logician, I will try and crack the code.

What a great challenge!

So far this is what I have (my apologies in advance if anyone has already posted this, but I'm too lazy to go through all of the 3468 comments posted thus far to verify): On the page titled "NOTES", the first 2 lines: ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE VLSE MTSE - CTSE - WSE - FRTSE This is an address and phone number for the Missouri Institute for Mental Health, which is located in St. Louis, MO where the man Ricky McCormick who was murdered on June 30 1999 is from, according to the FBI help request (I have yet to find any old articles that talk about the details of this murder btw) Address & Phone confirmed with Yahoo Maps: 5400 - ARSENAL STREET - (314) 877-6400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The three lines underneath that address...so far I got from it "PO DEPUE" (if you take every letter within these 3 lines that proceed the letter "N": PNRTRSE ONDRSE WLD NCBE NWLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS ME XL DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXL I Googled "podepue" and "missouri" and I got results for Susan Depue, Sr. Research Specialist at the Missouri Institute for Mental Health (Interesting huh?) The other information so far that I am getting from this first "paragraph" circled, is that this individual is talking about the nurse in charge, or the "PO" administered; meaning Per Os (mental health jargon meaning medication taken by mouth), that was given to him was the wrong dosage (thus reference to XL), sort of like Effexor XL or Welbutrin, but the dosage was given incorrectly which caused him great troubles or something like that; probably a psychotic reaction or serious health problems from this "error" or possible intentional experimentation on him. This paragraph is basically starting out by explaining what happened to him as a mental health patient and the improper dosage given. That is all I have so far...the rest is slowly coming along...the first page that I haven't started on yet, well this is a sort of diary of events from him travelling and doing something I can't tell what just yet, but you get a lot of driving directions and coordinates to a location. I'm going to bed now. Goodnight. I hope this helps. Thanks for your time reading this. Take care. JCM0511 email: dannysantopiettro at yahoo

I keep trying to post a reply explaining how I get this info but its taking too long to type and when someone replies it all gets erased, so I'll try to be quick and save what I write as I go along....also, I want to make clear that I dont care about getting credit, just solving this tragic event...finally, if you have never worked with children with autism, you may not understand the logic or find yourself frustrated I first noticed the hyphens on page 2 and quickly identified that as a set of numbers; phone number, address, or social..etc. Remember, Mr McCormick created this language as a child, and therefore you MUST think as a child: ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE VLSE MTSE - CTSE - WSE - FRTSE I started with breaking up CTSE-WSE-FRTSE I then associated numbers to letters: A=1, B=2, etc. (I have now noticed people posting this on the thread so others are doing the same thing now, so I feel even more confident now) Starting with CTSE C=3 T=20 S=19 E=5 *Keep 3 because it is the first number and smallest* T-S=1 E-1=4 (See how I repeated that twice? That is the "law" of 2 and you'll see it again and again in this code, and its the reason he repeats letters twice in patterns.) ------------------------- WSE; W=23, S=19, E=5 23-19=4 (the law of 2) add 4+4=8, then 19-5=14(the law of 2) 14/2=7 again...(the law of 2) You get two 7's....the answer is 877! ------------ Finally, I did it a 3rd time and got 314-877-6400

THEN I Googled the phone number (for the gentleman who accused me of being a farce) and found the Missouri Institute for Mental Health with that phone number...I quickly noticed the address as Arsenal Street and found those letters within the code: ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE VLSE MTSE = Arsenal Street (You use the same A twice b/c it is the first letter and the law of 2 remember?) NOTE: If you are a computer scientist or math teacher and are pulling your hair out right now, then you will now realize why the FBI is asking for help, right? You don't use logic, you use children-like rules, which is sort of how the mind of some people work, such as autism champs! LOL Finally, after you use those letters to get Arsenal Street....the remaining letters are: PGLSETEVLSEME = 5400 (using the same math formula for the phone number and always, the law of 2!) Coincidence? I get 5400 Arsenal Street 314-877-6400 Now, here is the tricky part...the next paragraph then changes "laws"...its no longer the law of 2 and the alphabet...its a game where you find the letters before a repeating letter: Here is the next 3 lines: PNRTRSE ONDRSE WLD NCBE NWLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS ME XL DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXL I immediately noticed the "N"s and wrote out all letters before the N's: PODEPUE

NOW...I Googled PODEPUE...and got nothing...then I googled "podepue" and "missouri" and I got Susan Depue from the Missouri Institue for Mental Health. So for the gentleman who thought I had the answers and then Googled to make the answers fit (that doesnt even make logical sense does it?)...that's how I found her name in the pattern and confirmed with Google her association with the letter code.... Finally, I didnt even have to keep doing that, just kept staring at the code and I got the medications being wrong, the "mg" letters you'll see (after separating the "bad" letters), you'll get a message about the wrong dosage (see XL? He's talking about medications because I've gone through this where pharmacies think XR instead of XL, or EL, and that could cause you a serious health problem). Get it? The paragraph below that seems to be a social security number or numerical code, the page titled "NOTES" is all incriminating evidence to point to the people responsible for hurting this man, the first page are directions, or a diary of where he travelled and what he did, and once all that is solved you'll get a story about the crime committed

When you really break these two posts down and look at it you have PO(medication given by mouth), Depue maybe not Susan Depue but Heidi Depue a psychologist from Springfield, MO (psychologist's can prescribe medication). Her phone number ends in 5400 coincidence i think not...well maybe.

So my prediction is that Heidi Depue may have administered him some medication, and he had a bad reaction due to the volume of it, or something along the lines of this.

( FIRSE PQSEO N(seems like n..MEANS "AND" ) ONDE71 "and" cbe )

FIRSE-FIRSE Fellow of the Institution of Railway Signal Engineers
PQS- PQS is a general purpose quantum chemistry program(Parallel Quantum Solutions)
EO- There are many meanings but i guess it fits with "Executive order (United States), is a directive issued by the President of the United States"
"AND"
DE- * Defence Estates, an agency of the UK Ministry of Defence
* Desert Eagle, a large-caliber semi-automatic pistol manufactured by Magnum Research
* Destroyer escort, US Navy hull classification symbol ( CHOOSE WHATEVER YOU GUYS LIKE )
71
"AND"
CBE-Commander of the (Order of the) British Empire

( CD - SE PQS EO "and" SOE 74 "and" CBE )
CD- cadmium. 1. also C/D certificate of deposit
2. civil defense
3. compact disk
4. French corps diplomatique (diplomatic corps)
"and"
SE - selenium. ( it does make sense if u put CDSE together )
PQS-Parallel Quantum Solutions
EO-executive order
"and" or " TO"
SOE-Special Operations Executive 74
"and" OR "TO"
CBE- Commander of the Order of the British Empire

( PR + SG PRSE ON REDE 75 "and" CBE )

PR-praseodymium +
SG-seaborgium.
PQS-PQS is a general purpose quantum chemistry program(Parallel Quantum Solutions)
EO-There are many meanings but i guess it fits with "Executive order (United States), is a directive issued by the President of the United States"
"and"
REDE-1. to advise; counsel 2. to explain
75 "and" CBE- Commander of the Order of the British Empire

( IF - BCMS-P SOLE MRDE LUSE TOTE WLD - WLD - CBE

IF a MSP -MSP
abbreviation for
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy

SOLE-only one
MRDE- MRDE Mining Research and Development Establishment
LUSE-LUSE Logical Unit Size Expansion (Hitachi Data Systems)
TOTE-informal
WLD-WOULD
BE WLD-WEapons linked to development/loading direction.
BY/FROM CBE-British Empire

I think it's just a tick sheet.. he was a drug dealer and that sheet just shows who owed him money and how much for the week.

Just to clarify,

These notes were written by the victim Ricky McCormick, not the murderer. Apparently he had a thing about writing in a language of his own?

doing a little more research on what the FBI gave us...he was apparently dumped in a field outside a sheif's station, i googled every station in St. Louis MO and found a station 30 SECONDS away(3157 Sublette Avenue, Saint Louis, MO) from the mental instation. also too Susan Depue didnt start working for the mental instituion until 2006 but doesnt mean that she wasnt doing clinicals or maybe it was ment to be Heidi Depue.

outside of this mental institution there is a fire station 35 which is referenced in "notes page" about halfway down. so maybe some of these numbers are buildings around there or houses.

I am seeing a redundancy of "CBE" in the code. A letter could represent another letter in the alphabet. The first thing I thought of was words ending in "ING"

Just suppose "C" represents "I" and "B" represents "N" and "E" represents "G"

Originally posted by Cecilofs
Looks like a trap to me - solve it and you must be the murderer!

I agree up to a certain point, when has the FBI ever done anything without an agenda?

Looking in to this a little deeper I do not believe that this code has anything to do with a murder enquiry. I am wondering if this has anything to do with what has been going in with anonomous and the banking threats ween't they written in code?

I smell a rat with this one tread carefully.

ALP-TE GLSE- SE ERTE

Alp-Large mound or mass..
TE-tellurium
GLSE-Grande Loge Symbolique Ecossaise (French: Symbolic Scottish Grand Lodge)
SE- selenium. or south east
ERTE-Erté (1892-1990) M, French, FASHION, BEAUTY, ETC: fashion illustrator, ARTS AND CRAFTS: designer) real name Romain de Tirtoff. 1892-1990, French fashion illustrator and designer, born in Russia, noted for his extravagant costumes and tableaux for the Folies-Bergère in Paris "died after a short illness. "

reply to post by e1mar


Some of the words seem to be plain abbreviations. If you notice the last line on the left it looks like USMC or USMCP. I think the guy was trained in coding and was military.